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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 24, 2007 10:27:32 GMT -5
One of the most dangerous errors of our time is the belief that human beings are uniquely violent animals, barely restrained from committing atrocities on each other by the constraints of ethics, religion, and the state. It may seem odd to some to dispute this ... that human beings are not especially violent animals. Desmond Morris, in his fascinating book Manwatching, for example, shows that the instinctive fighting style of human beings seems to be rather carefully optimized to keep us from injuring one another. Films of street scuffles show that "instinctive" fighting consists largely of shoving and overhand blows to the head/shoulders/ribcage area. It is remarkably difficult to seriously injure a human being this way; the preferred target areas are mostly bone, and the instinctive striking style delivers rather little force for given effort. It is enlightening to compare this fumbling behavior to the focussed soft-tissue strike of a martial artist, who (having learned to override instinct) can easily kill with one blow. It is also a fact, well-known to military planners, that somewhere around 70% of troops in their first combat-fire situation find themselves frozen, unable to trigger lethal weapons at a live enemy. It takes training and intense re-socialization to make soldiers out of raw recruits. And it is a notable point, to which we shall return later, that said socialization has to concentrate on getting a trainee to obey orders and identify with the group. ...in fact, less than one half of one percent of the present human population ever kills in peacetime; murders are more than an order of magnitude less common than fatal household accidents. Overall, all but a vanishingly small number of murders are performed by males between the ages of 15 and 25, and the overwhelming majority of those by unmarried males. One's odds of being killed by a human outside that demographic bracket are comparable to one's chances of being killed by a lightning strike. War is the great exception, the great legitimizer of murder, the one arena in which ordinary humans routinely become killers... - Eric Raymond, "The Myth of Man the Killer" - - - PS: "human beings are not especially violent animals" --> which is why the Powers That Be have convinced Joe Average to "vote", thus exercising violent force without even realizing it.
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Post by eye2i2hear on Apr 24, 2007 11:53:41 GMT -5
but Darren*, there was this part: [N]either war nor genocide needs more than a comparative handful of murderers — not much larger a cohort than the half-percent to percent that commits lethal violence in peacetime. Both, however, require the obedience of a large supporting population. Factories must work overtime. Ammunition trucks must be driven where the bullets are needed. People must agree not to see, not to hear, not to notice certain things. Orders must be obeyed.
The experiments described in Stanley Milgram's 1974 book "The Perils of Obedience" demonstrated how otherwise ethical people could be induced to actively torture another person by the presence of an authority figure commanding and legitimizing the violence. They remain among the most powerful and disturbing results in experimental psychology.
Human beings are not natural killers; very, very few ever learn to enjoy murder or torture. Human beings, however, are sufficiently docile that many can eventually be taught to kill, to support killing, or to consent to killing on the command of an alpha male, entirely dissociating themselves from responsibility for the act. Our original sin is not murderousness — it is obedience. -- Eric Raymond, " The Myth of Man the Killer" ================================================================================ * (NOW see what you done up & started, NonE?!? NonE = "Young Frankenstein"... " That's 'Fra`nk-uhn-steen"...): " IT'S ALIVE!!") ((or is NonE more "Abby"...?! spelled: A-b-normal)) ;D --Eyegore
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Post by eye2i2hear on Apr 24, 2007 12:31:54 GMT -5
apologies up front for the length of excerpts, but this is point-on as well (imo): Pack violence by governments serves as a model and a legitimizing excuse not merely for other government violence, but for private violence as well. The one thing all tyrants have in common is their belief that in their special cause, aggression is justified; private criminals learn and profit by that example. The contagion of mass violence is spread by the very institutions which ground their legitimacy in the mission of suppressing it — even as they perpetrate most of it. -- Eric Raymond, " The Myth of Man the Killer" aka "The Parental Authority Factor" aka "The Founding Fathers Authority Factor" aka "like Father, like son"/like Government, like Citizen (ie the State transfigures the Parent)
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Post by marc stevens on Apr 24, 2007 13:35:48 GMT -5
================================================================================ * (NOW see what you done up & started, NonE?!? NonE = "Young Frankenstein"... " That's 'Fra`nk-uhn-steen"...): " IT'S ALIVE!!") ((or is NonE more "Abby"...?! spelled: A-b-normal)) ;D --Eyegore The link doesn't work, use this adventuresinlegalland.com/alive.mp3
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Post by NonEntity on Apr 24, 2007 13:48:37 GMT -5
Where'd you get that picture of me?!?!?!
- Abby
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 25, 2007 13:27:31 GMT -5
If a party got 77% of the vote, it would be a landslide. Even 42% is usually enough to elect a government. Voting is safe, and tax evasion is threatened with fines and prison terms; yet enough Canadians to elect a government are evading taxes. Why? "Most respondents said they cheated because they were disgusted with governments, politicians, regulations, the welfare system, bureaucrats and excessive taxation." They're sick of the welfare state, and can find no one to vote for. A moral revolution is under way. The chairman of COMPAS is quoted as saying, "The most striking finding ... is the evidence of changing ethics." The article explains, "Many of the Canadians who admit to cheating do not regard themselves as dishonest." In this moral revolution, the Post is on the side of reaction. Throughout the Post article, tax evaders are called "tax cheats," tax evasion is called "cheating," and so on. The usually admirable Diane Francis says, "Of course, tax evasion is deplorable and not to be applauded." And, "Tax evasion is immoral as well as illegal ... ." Oh yeah? Let's review a simple fact of life: taxation is robbery. Taxation is the forcible, but routine, seizure of one's rightful property by the government. If you don't think taxes are collected by force, think about what happens to those who refuse to pay them. ...Taxation is robbery, and robbery should be outlawed. So taxes should be outlawed. So abolish taxes.When runaway slaves were called thieves, slavery was regarded as a permanent fact of life. Slavery abolitionists changed that. Today's usual certainties are death and taxes. If tax abolitionists do their part, the new century may see the end of taxes. Tax heroes will have led the way. Meanwhile they keep unrelenting pressure on governments to reduce taxes. So let's drink a toast to tax heroes, and strive to complete the revolution they have begun! - " Tax Heroes", by Michael Miller
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Post by eye2i2hear on Apr 26, 2007 21:36:17 GMT -5
Robert-Arthur: Menard, in a forum post here (post #92)
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 28, 2007 1:43:14 GMT -5
- Bob Murphy, "The Best Way to Save the Earth? Capitalism"
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Post by Free Radical on Apr 28, 2007 4:46:54 GMT -5
Much Madness is Divinest Sense Emily Dickinson Much madness is divinest sense To a discerning eye; Much sense the starkest madness. ’T is the majority In this, as all, prevails. Assent, and you are sane; Demur, – you’re straightway dangerous, And handled with a chain.
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Freeborn
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In legal land armed robbery is ''taxation''
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Post by Freeborn on Apr 30, 2007 4:04:19 GMT -5
'' 'Necessity' is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.'' -----William Pitt
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In legal land armed robbery is ''taxation''
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Post by Freeborn on May 1, 2007 7:04:08 GMT -5
"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd."Bertrand Russell
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Post by denizen on May 1, 2007 11:02:59 GMT -5
Terrorists are people who want to become governments. Governments are terrorists who are already in power.
- (posted by a nym on another board)
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Post by eye2i2hear on May 1, 2007 12:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 1, 2007 13:33:29 GMT -5
"Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind." - New Hampshire constitution's bill of rights, Article 10 (NH is apparently the only "state" con-stitution that explicitly identifies non-resistance to tyranny as A Bad Thing. ) See also NC, 21Nov1789 -- section "3d." (oddly enough, NC's amendement XI says "...the militia shall not be subject to martial law, except when in actual service in time of war, invasion or rebellion ) - - - - "What is the Right of Revolution?" (Part of the excellent a-small-child-could-understand-this-liberty-stuff "User's Guide to the Declaration of Independence" -- "What is Equality?" section -- ignoring certain content, of course.)
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 1, 2007 13:56:57 GMT -5
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