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Post by Darren Dirt on Jul 8, 2005 12:00:01 GMT -5
Is there anybody here that somehow is convinced that "gun control" laws actually help reduce crime rates and make people safer? If so, share some objective arguments why you believe that. Seriously, I think that's an issue that is rarely discussed, and I am actually interested to hear "the other side". Because after skimming just a few of the mainstream local news stories found in the following list of links, there is no way I would want a totally-disarmed populace: www.kc3.com/self_defense/Self_Defense.htm- - - Also consider: "Gun Control Really Works! (but who does it work FOR?" www.kc3.com/editorial/gun_control_works.htm |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Jul 8, 2005 13:23:15 GMT -5
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Post by marc stevens on Jul 8, 2005 16:11:21 GMT -5
Who cares what the "second amendment" says or means. The question about "gun control" is: when am I justified in using physical force to take a gun away from another man/woman? Another great site is www.jpfo.org/ |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 8, 2005 18:14:28 GMT -5
Agreed, it's a non-issue for anyone who examines facts instead of blindly following opinions. But sadly there are a lot of constitution-worshippers that are even more dangerous because they misinterpret the "second amendment" - and encourage their "representative" to restrict/ban instruments of self-defense. In time voluntaryism will replace politicism, but in the meantime it's always good to have some sites handy to share with someone who has believed the gungrabbers' lies about the intent of amendment #2... Then maybe after they realize they've been lied to, maybe they'll be open-minded enough to find just how *much* they've been lied to *cough* *states* *nations* *citizens* *cough*  |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Jul 18, 2005 18:06:43 GMT -5
Who cares what the "second amendment" says or means. The question about "gun control" is: when am I justified in using physical force to take a gun away from another man/woman? Another great site is www.jpfo.org/Yeah, I like their mission: "TO DESTROY gun control..." unforunately they still think the Bill of Rights has some magical power, but hey they're on the right track anyway And on that topic: QUIZ TIME! Can anyone guess who said the following quote.Here's a hint, it could just as easily have been spoken during this past week, or this past year, or even centuries ago. Okay, not much of a hint  PS: Don't "cheat" by doing an online search. Or if you do look it up then don't post the "answer" here... I want to wait a few days and see if anyone guesses either the name, or the group of inidividuals the source is famously known as being part of. It's somebody well-known to those in and around "America". (as an example, if it was Wayne Gretzky -- it's not, btw -- then a correct answer would also be "that guy I can't remember his name but part of the Oilers hockey team..." So if you can't think of specific name, guess anyway  "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" |
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Post by sagas4 on Jul 19, 2005 11:09:22 GMT -5
Hey DD, I been away for a while. I was gonna post some great quotes fom Jefferson and others of like mind of the time that showed their distrust of government but your quote works just fine. (Some believe that separation of church and state is in the constitution, and that Jefferson was part of the Convention. Neither is true according to what we know of history yet people mistakenly believe it. Jefferson drafted the DoI not the U.S.Constitution. Furthermore he did have a hand in the Virginia & Kentucky Resolutions (1798-1799) which was an attempt to try and reign in the monster that had been created just a few years earlier. . . as if any of it matters anyway since it is all ink on paper written by people who are long since dead). Along the lines of this thread and with what Marc said, Who cares what the "second amendment" says or means. The question about "gun control" is: when am I justified in using physical force to take a gun away from another man/woman? Another great site is www.jpfo.org/and a quote from a supreme court justice . . . With that said, the Government of the United States went after Saddam H. because he was a "bad man", but when that was not good enough to garner popular support because there are many "bad men" in power we do nothing about in other countries, the PR Propaganda machine said, we must protect ourselves the "bad man has WMD and he might use them against us". Well if he really had WMD don't you think a good time to use them would have been when the United States invaded?? Here is my point. My neighbor has a firearm. Am I justified in using PREEMPTIVE force against him to DEFEND MYSELF subdue him and take his firearm because I have seen him use it and he MIGHT use it against me some day? If that is the standard we are to all live by then by golly we better start killin each other right now because my neighbor has a brain along with his firearm, and it can be argued that it is the most powerful weapon anyone possesses and heck he might use it against me someday. I run in to people who are aware of the deception and those who are oblivious. The following article The Doors of Perception is an interesting read, but I think the issue for those who know or are waking up is, "But I am only one what can I do about it? I can't storm the gates of the whitehouse or talk some sense into monkeys who control the pentagon". |
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Post by Dirt on Jul 19, 2005 15:27:51 GMT -5
...the quote wasn't from Mr. Jefferson, btw |
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Post by marc stevens on Jul 19, 2005 15:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by sagas4 on Jul 19, 2005 16:13:31 GMT -5
...the quote wasn't from Mr. Jefferson, btw I know. But Jefferson, Henry, Adams and others who were not related to the King and royal family as Hamilton was by marriage all have similar writings. Furthermore, if you look at the people who were involved in the DoI many of them were either excluded or refused to participate in the Constitutional Convention, with the exception of a few big names like Franklin. P.S. And I know who made that statement BTW. I have read most of all of the historical works I could find when I once believed in the system and simply thought it was broke or filled with bad apples. Including others not mentioned like Paine, and Greek and Roman philosophers and theory. P.P.S. And I have mentioned the name in one of my posts in this thread unless I am mistaken. I wanted to see if anyone else knows because it is an easy one. |
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Post by sagas4 on Jul 19, 2005 16:24:22 GMT -5
Marc, thank you and you're welcome. There is a wealth of eye opening information there. |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Jul 20, 2005 13:05:37 GMT -5
...the quote wasn't from Mr. Jefferson, btw I know. P.P.S. And I have mentioned the name in one of my posts in this thread unless I am mistaken. I wanted to see if anyone else knows because it is an easy one. Yes, you mentioned "his" name. That's all I'm saying for now - this is a dude who has many famous quotes (and misquotes) attributed, so I would not be surprised if this one was genuinely spoken by him. ...man, I thought I would get a few playful answers here, it's a quiz, it's supposed to fun |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Aug 2, 2005 9:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Nov 25, 2005 11:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Dec 7, 2005 17:44:27 GMT -5
John Lott, in The National Review, 09Nov2005, writes... From this articleSadly, another city has doomed its citizens to an increase in armed thugs... The non-uniformed kind.  Won't they EVER learn? See also what the fed-up folks in BRAZIL are saying and doing: link |
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Post by NonEntity on Dec 7, 2005 18:20:59 GMT -5
Okay Darren, there is a limit. You've made three FOUR posts in a row there and that has overloaded the Dirt Filter and now we're forced to impose the Dirty Darren Delimiting Driver down dere in der computer. Like taxes, we all need the privilege of providing our fair share... - NonE (what was the topic?...) Oh, yes... San Francisco - maybe they'll win next year's Darwin Awards!  |
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Won't they EVER learn?