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Post by Darren Dirt on Jan 31, 2006 16:21:41 GMT -5
Someone here has said that a voluntary society is inevitable . . . in support of that R. Buckminster Fuller said, "With world-around contact with youth , generated by invitations to speak to the students of over 500 universities and colleges during the last half century, I can conclude at the outset of 1980 that the world public has become disenchanted with both the political and financial leadership, which it no longer trusts to solve the problems of historical crisis. Furthermore, all the individuals of humanity are looking for the answer to what the individual can do that can't be done by great nations and great enterprises." - Buckminster Fuller Critical Path 1980. Bucky was a man before his time, no doubt... I wonder how much of his ideas have still to be studied and understood and APPLIED in this ever-shrinking free society... But my brain hurts after skimming just a few of the images stored in the "Synergetics" volumes found at www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/findex/findex.html -- so it makes me wonder how much of what he learned discovered and came up with is actually something the "common man" can benefit from... |
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Post by NonEntity on Jan 31, 2006 16:39:27 GMT -5
My "brain hurts" just thinking about the internet and how it works, but boy do I use the hell out of it! So I think we don't need to understand things to benefit from them.
Do you understand nuclear energy? or the dynamics of your engine control computer? Me either!
- NonE :-)
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Post by Darren Dirt on Jan 31, 2006 17:49:52 GMT -5
Do you understand nuclear energy? or the dynamics of your engine control computer? Me either! - NonE :-) Actually, yes I do, but because you "assumed" I don't then I'm not gonna teach you what I know  |
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Post by sagas4 on Jan 31, 2006 18:28:15 GMT -5
Someone here has said that a voluntary society is inevitable . . . in support of that R. Buckminster Fuller said, "With world-around contact with youth , generated by invitations to speak to the students of over 500 universities and colleges during the last half century, I can conclude at the outset of 1980 that the world public has become disenchanted with both the political and financial leadership, which it no longer trusts to solve the problems of historical crisis. Furthermore, all the individuals of humanity are looking for the answer to what the individual can do that can't be done by great nations and great enterprises." - Buckminster Fuller Critical Path 1980. Bucky was a man before his time, no doubt... I wonder how much of his ideas have still to be studied and understood and APPLIED in this ever-shrinking free society... But my brain hurts after skimming just a few of the images stored in the "Synergetics" volumes found at www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/findex/findex.html -- so it makes me wonder how much of what he learned discovered and came up with is actually something the "common man" can benefit from... Actually I know someone well, who knew him well. He was her professor in college and was most definitely an innovative thinker. There are Lots-o really smart people who understand his stuff and are making lots-o things we benefit from. One that is simple to comprehend is something that encloses more internal area with less external surface area, for improved (less) thermal transfer which requires less energy to heat and cool, fire resistant, resistant to tornadoes, hurricanes (if built on a good foundation), and . . . . well in a picture is this.
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Post by sagas4 on Jan 31, 2006 18:35:25 GMT -5
Do you understand nuclear energy? or the dynamics of your engine control computer? Me either! - NonE :-) Actually, yes I do, but because you "assumed" I don't then I'm not gonna teach you what I know And I was always worried the professor was gonna catch me snoozin in the nuclear engineering class. |
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Post by NonEntity on Feb 6, 2006 11:41:15 GMT -5
Darren, You mean I now have to actually listen to and respect PUNK music, too?! Hmmph! (This is really awkward having to post comments to your posts in a totally different place. It doesn't make any sense. Who's STOOPID idea was this, anyway?) - NonE |
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Post by sagas4 on Feb 6, 2006 11:58:40 GMT -5
Darren, You mean I now have to actually listen to and respect PUNK music, too?! Hmmph! (This is really awkward having to post comments to your posts in a totally different place. It doesn't make any sense. Who's STOOPID idea was this, anyway?) - NonE NonE, I don't really care one way or the other how we do this. Both has advantages and disadvantages. If we are to continue to use this thread though perhaps posting a link to the quote one is commenting on or requoting the quote here may be beneficial. I presume you are commenting on this. |
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Post by NonEntity on Feb 6, 2006 12:31:06 GMT -5
Yep, Sagas. That was what I was refering to. Pasting the link is a good idea. I see it is available at the bottom of the post under "Link to Post." Thanks.
(And basically I was just poking fun at myself. I DO believe that it is nice to keep the integrity of the "quotes" thread, but it DOES make it harder to spontaneously comment upon those posts. :-( )
- NonE
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Post by Darren Dirt on Feb 6, 2006 12:35:36 GMT -5
1. Read the lyrics or not, listen to the music or not, it's your choice. To be honest, the lyrics are poetic to some songs that I can't stand trying to listen to. ;D 2. Wasn't my idea 3. Linking to the quote is mos def A Good Thing.  4. PS: an0ther punk quote, and now I promise I'm done with that  |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Feb 17, 2006 16:16:40 GMT -5
"Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his *own* effort, the man who has not right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave." - Ayn Rand, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Woot! U Rule, d00d! Perfectly succintly, succintly perfect ;D PS: By the logic in the first italicized text above, that means that no terrorcrat is a "man" -- I guess since they survive on the efforts of others that's why they are sometimes called political animals PPS: Rand seemed to have been channelling Locke; see this other quote posted a long time ago on page 16 of the Superquotes... |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Feb 22, 2006 18:51:51 GMT -5
Be Labeled a terrorist, Quote Thomas, Paine and Jefferson. According to Marc's closing words on the 18Feb2006 show, Lysander Spooner should be included in that list, at least in China (for now)  PS: Quick show of hands: which of the AiLL regular contributors, by the above definition, are *not* a "terrorist"? |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 9, 2006 16:04:07 GMT -5
Wow, folks! An ambitious, Spooner-appreciating, liberty-loving, natural-law-spouting individual managed to get the domain name of " JIM.com" (!) ;D Hey Marc, maybe you could contact him ( jamesd_at_echeque_doct_com ) and offer to do a two-way linking to his " other sites relevant to liberty" page? That's a heck of a good-sized, and good, collection of famous individualist articles, and external links he's got there |
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Post by NonEntity on Mar 18, 2006 13:01:55 GMT -5
"Thus the existence of evil can never justify the existence of the State. If there is no evil, the State is unnecessary. If evil exists, the State is far too dangerous to be allowed existence."
Very nice quote from Stephan M., 2i2!
Regardless of whether or not you accept "evil" as a valid concept, the argument holds.
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- NonE
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Post by NonEntity on Mar 18, 2006 17:00:39 GMT -5
At no other time in human history have the consequences of our thinking been so immediate and pervasive. If mankind is to survive, you and I will have to take the responsibility for ending our participation in violence. The character of any society can never rise higher than the character of the individuals within it. If our world is disorderly and violent, it is because you and I have learned to be conflict-ridden and aggressive. Institutions are blessed with no mysterious powers that would enable a society to transcend the division, discord and confusion of its members. Only by transforming ourselves can our world become peaceful and orderly. The task is ours, yours and mine. We have no one else to whom we can turn for salvation. No international organization of nation-states can be expected to curb the appetites of its own members. We must save mankind, for we are mankind. from page 135, Calculated Chaos, Butler Shaffer, Llumina Press, 1985and from page 66: We are willing to stand and shout for patriotism because we perceive no cost to us in doing so. It does not appear to harm anyone, and brings so much in the way of social returns. We do not see the real and direct connection between our flag-waving and the machine-gunning of children. We believe we can enjoy the benefits of the former without bearing any respoonsibility for the latter.
Rasism - like any other form of conflict - will come to an end not through moral preachments or appeals to such vague abstractions as brotherhood. It is not bad intentions that keep us apart, but our willingness to live outside ourselves, and to identify with groups. We are willing to inflict death and suffering upon others not because we are filled with hate, but because we have such an intense love for our collective identity. We have subdivided our minds into "exclusive developments," complete with restrictive covenants to keep out the "undesirables." ----------- This is a book that I cannot give high enough praise to. If you only have one book to read, let it be this one. - NonE
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 18, 2006 20:45:01 GMT -5
"Thus the existence of evil can never justify the existence of the State. If there is no evil, the State is unnecessary. If evil exists, the State is far too dangerous to be allowed existence." Very nice quote from Stephan M., 2i2! Regardless of whether or not you accept "evil" as a valid concept, the argument holds. ;D - NonE ROFL: I just had a quick vision of me printing that simple 'either or' statement in big text on a single page of paper, and posting it on the wall of my cubicle at work. I'm [L]aughing because... well, I have been doing some I.T. contract work for quite a few months, for these guys: www.agric.gov.ab.ca/ <--can you imagine the reaction of my colleagues? ;D ^ In case you were wondering, I'm more a "Ghost" or "Mole" than an "Agitator" when it comes to Claire Wolfe's 3 categories ( see this book ) |
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