Alcohol / Ethanol & Alternative Fuels

[tharrin]

Stan Ovshinsky has devised a way to solidify hydrogen that offers a alternative that can be delivered in the same fashion as gasoline and is stable and can be transported as safely as any gasoline carrier can mover their product.

I heard and article on NPR about a year ago where he said if given the opportunity he could reduce our gasoline consumption by half in 5 years using a relatively cheap conversion of the standard automobile. The site is as follows. Be sure to go to his home page and look into other things he is into.

www.ovonic.com/sol_srv/3_3_hydrogen_sol/hydrogen_sol.htm

[sagas4]

Ok Folks, I finished the book The solar Hydrogen Civilization by Roy McAlister.

It is all about the plans of how to get from point a to point B, but as mentioned earlier, it is well documented w/Stats and diagrams included on the pages. If you want to read about Roy McAlisters plan and strategy and become involved with the International Renewable Resources Institute then you might want to read the book; otherwise I think you get much more practical information out of the DVD's.

[NonEntity]

Here's a great article by Fred on Impaired Driving. We obviously need more government testing and inspection programs. This is getting SERIOUS, folks!

-NonE

[NonEntity]

WOW! Check out THIS ARTICLE on a new car power design. Way cool!

-NonE

[sagas4]

nonentity said:

WOW! Check out THIS ARTICLE on a new car power design. Way cool!

-NonE

Yep, McAlister shows how to generate hydrogen from an aluminum rod and electricity in the DVD as well.

[Darren Dirt]

nonentity said:

Here's a great article by Fred on Impaired Driving. We obviously need more government testing and inspection programs. This is getting SERIOUS, folks!

-NonE

WOW!
Great article re. MADD and prohibition (not just a conspiracy theory!) and PMS. I forgot how entertaining and insightful "Fred" articles can be.


Even more applicable to AiLL: Fred on TRIALS:
fredoneverything.net/Trials.shtml

[sagas4]

On a humerous note:

Energy Problems Solved by Christian Scientists:

[They propose] "harnessing GeoThermal Energy from Hell: [Check out] Satans powerful anus spewing scalding hot sulfuric demon dung into the sky".

www.landoverbaptist.org/news0401/hotrocks.html

[joetooktheredpill]

I have had a cousin tell me that in iceland they supposedly harness this energy.But he has a reputation like the federal reserve creating nothing from nothing and calling it something.

[sagas4]

Hey Joe, that's funny, but there have been documentaries about that. . . Iceland that is so your cousin is probably correct

I've got a geo thermal HVAC. It doesn't get quite as hot as that demon dung though.

[sagas4]

darrendirt said:

Otherwise, we're all pretty bad off, not able to be more than just hunter-gatherers, ain't we? Or even worse. *cough*TragedyOfTheCommons*cough*

As it relates to energy and Hardin's 'case for "no technical solutions", [noting] the limits placed on the availability of energy', there are some solutions available and waiting to be implemented on a wide scale. Although the sun may only have a few billion years left and will eventually run out, that is still quite a long time. It's energy can be harnessed in the form of Photo-voltaic, Wind and Ocean Waves to generate electricity. Some of that can be used to split the hydrogen off of the good ole water molecule (approaching 90% efficiency), and used in a myriad of ways from barbecue grills to Internal combustion engines. If you look at how long it takes to make fossil fuel [oil/gas] (millions of years) it is no where near 90% efficient. Yes it is probably easier to just pump this stuff out of the ground, but we are pumping it out much faster than it is being made. Technological advancements made the current level of planetary population possible, and without making some major changes in how we use technology and fuel we are not living sustainably in the long term; however, hydrogen is sustainable and renewable. When you "burn" it you get water and then have a closed loop with water from which the hydrogen was initially extracted.

So, as it relates to Hardins premise of energy and living as has been done in the past and currently I would agree, but there is a technological solution that makes his premise on limited energy false and therefore I would not agree.

[Darren Dirt]

Just yesterday I did some reading about Zero-Point Energy, Zero-Point Field -- something that has the potential to completely change the way "energy" is harnessed.

If it's more than just theory. But it seems to be a pertty plausible explanation for a lot of things, including the source of "intertia", and why quantum physics is so "weird"...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_field


Article that gives a brief overview: www.science-spirit.org/article_detail.php?article_id=126


More in-depth; this site has a lot of articles so happy reading!
www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

The primary mission of the Calphysics Institute is to carry out research on the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, with emphasis on the formulation and execution of experiments to elucidate the properties of the quantum vacuum and to search for possible technological applications.

The Calphysics Institute is the research organization led by Bernard Haisch, president of the non-profit Digital Universe Foundation. The Digital Universe is creating a global collaboration of experts and educators to collaboratively build a free, public-service oriented, non-commercial subset of the Web that will become a trustworthy and visually engaging repository of human knowledge, ultimately evolving into the kind of "Encyclopedia Galactica" envisioned by Carl Sagan.

[joetooktheredpill]

Does anyone know a good place to get wood pellets from or a good wood pellet stove.

[Darren Dirt]

patrickhenry2k5 said:

Energy Information
byronw.www1host.com/

I dunno how I missed reading this when you first posted it.

WOW.

I know the PTB are always surpressing dissent and the expression of alternative viewpoints, etc. But it's amazing to see how many patents have actually gone through with alternative energy stuff.


This especially fascinated me; Ron Paul is the most stand up congresscritter, always displaying integrity, and though he is obviously politically active, he is a libertarian in his beliefs and his many famous speeches exposing the neocons etc. have done immeasurable good in getting the masses aware of how bad things have already gotten.

So when the mention of the "Moray device" includes Paul as a recipient of information about it, you gotta wonder what he did with the info -- or if his staffer never handed it to him. After all, Ron Paul is still alive today, isn't he?

15. The Moray device. Tom Moray, in the late 20s, had a device that could sit on a kitchen table and produce 50,000 Watts of power from a field that surrounds the earth. The operation of this device was endorsed by many people. Moray's son, John, after the only copy of his father's book was stolen, wrote a book "The Sea of Energy in which the Earth Floats". See the statement concerning a meeting between Moray and a Soviet Agent in General Electric office after closing hours.) The book is about his father's work. During the early 80s, I visited many congressional offices in an unsuccessful attempt to have any Member of Congress do something about the technology hidden from the American people. When I visited Congressman Ron Paul's office, a staffer said to me "I have something that you should read, come to my residence on Saturday." This staffer gave me a letter to Congressman Paul from Tom Bearden, and the 40-page document attached to the letter. The document is a book that Mr. Bearden has written. In this book, Mr. Bearden states that the Moray device could produce 1.5 megawatts of power. Also that the Russians had adapted the Moray device to power a weapon. The weapon statement is supported by a drawing from "Aviation Week and Space Technology", July 28, 1980. Do you think that the local Power Company could justify a price increase if the power came from a field around the earth? This book was also missing from the LOC in 1990.]

[sagas4]

Just found this in one of those non intrusive banner ads at the top of the page. Pretty cool.

Check out The General Motors Cornulator.

aha here it is . . .

From The Iowa Corn Growers Association

How much ethanol do you get from a bushel of corn?
Many ethanol plants now produce 2.7 gallons of ethanol and about 18 pounds of animal feed from each bushel of corn. Corn and ethanol production are now so efficient that it takes less energy to grow the crop and process it than the amount of energy in the ethanol itself. See our Ethanol section for all sorts of facts and information about ethanol!

WOW !!! Did I just read that correctly? A Perpetual Energy Machine? Corn? Cool.


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Course after all the taxes, rules, regulations, licenses for farmers etc., I'll bet it won't be long before the parasites suck up that extra energy.

I missed the SOTU dribble but heard that the pRezident claimed we could be on alternative fuels as early as oh say . . . 20 years . . . (whilst likely thinking: In another 20 I'll be so old I won't give a hoot anymore let someone else worry bout it so long as I can protect my slice of the oil pie while I'm alive).

I'm fairly sure that if the gubmint would get out of the way a wave of entrepreneurs would put this stuff on the market inside of a year or so, and then the major auto manufacturers would produce the goods or else loose customers. Heck Ford's been producing multi-fuel traditional and Diesel in Brazil for years. (That link is in this thread somewhere.) The issue as I see it is there is a move to move slowly enough that "Big Oil" families can get a major stake in the Ethanol market so they can still somewhat control the energy markets. (I know a cynical view). The only problem there is that little Archer Daniels Midland (NYSE:ADM) company. Someone at ADM can sneeze the wrong way and grain prices will rise or fall several points so the big oil folks might have to get use to having a new master. It would be interesting to know if there has been any activity on the part of people heavily invested in big oil buying into ADM or like companies.
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As some smart guy round here has observed and said, and some are beginning to believe, "Voluntary . . . It's inevitable".

[marc stevens]

"And so castles made of sand,
melt into the sea, eventually."

Jimi Hendrix