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Post by Neo on Nov 27, 2004 17:12:48 GMT -5
How many of you have a partner that accepts your views about freedom and how many that don't? Do you see that changing? Would you like to know how to find a like mind?
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 27, 2004 23:05:30 GMT -5
It would be great if my wife took an interest in this type of stuff but she doesn't. She is becoming more and more aware of how corrupt this pretend "government" is though. Her interests simply lie in other areas.
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Post by Rizzotherat on Nov 29, 2004 7:58:57 GMT -5
What did you have in mind? Do you know of a dating service that caters to those of the libertarian opinion? And would it be for love or just sex?
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Post by Guest T on Nov 29, 2004 9:38:42 GMT -5
I woke up about 1999. I researched the fraud that is the IRS and the income tax. I almost destroyed my marriage of 20+ years when I told my spouse we were going to stop filling. We have kids aged 13 and 17. She would follow me to h-e-l-l if we did not have the kids. I do my best to try and educate her about things but she prefers the "bliss of ignorance". Over the past few years she is coming around, but we have not had any major conflicts with the "alphabet" agencies. I did get her to listen to one of Marcs' radio shows and she listened and was a little more interested in learning more. Time will tell. I do admit that I would be more aggressive in fighting this if she were of like mind.
T
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Post by FlunkyNoMo on Nov 29, 2004 15:52:07 GMT -5
The "bliss of igorance" works well when you have a man to handle things for you. What happens when (as a woman) you're on your own, having to make your own choices, and handle your own legal affairs. What do you do then? Hire an attorney? He'll take care of me, right before he sells me out!
What happens when hubby's in the clink?? Or what if he up and dies on you??
It would be great to be in a relationship with someone that is awake, aware, reasonable, rational, honest, with full disclosure before entering into an agreement, but the reality is our kind are few and far between. That's why I like going to the different seminars, so I can talk about things that in the matrix would get you a ride with the men in the white suits. The seminars are mostly men, some bring their wives ('cause she's not missing a trip to So Cal). Having done my research, the remainder are married, or cleaning up the ruins from the witch that took him for everything.
So, pick me 'cause I'm really smart with range enough to play really dumb if you want me to.
FNM
P.S. Rizzo- I think if you choose carefully, the answer to your last question would be ----yes!
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 30, 2004 7:36:15 GMT -5
Good thread. Even if she had a "like mind", the idea of devoting my life to someone else is a totally alien & intangible concept to me. I am so absorbed in projects & study, it would be unfair to her.
Also, as one in Yeshua, the scriptures declare "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church." Well, I mos def ain't ready to get up on that kinda cross yet. Do husbands really have to undergo "mental crowns of thorns", "emotional crucifixions", & "volitional scourgings" whenever we choose to do something?
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Post by Rizzotherat on Nov 30, 2004 7:51:56 GMT -5
No one has addressed my questions, at least not directly. Is Neo offering a dating service for Libertarians? And is it for Love or sex? (we know the two are not the same)
And also, why would anyone deliberately invite the IRS into their lives by not filing? I have read Mr. Stevens' book twice, and working on a third time, and he never once has suggested not filing a return. An unwise move like that would be something a "constitutional patriot" or a "freeman" would do, not a Libertarian. Mr. Stevens' states in his book that he is not a "patriot". I hope I am not being deceived by his book, or this website and message board.
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Post by weis on Nov 30, 2004 7:59:27 GMT -5
It is not my intention to veer from the topic, but rizzo, have you ever read the privacy act notice on a 1040 instruction booklet? Did you know that it gives you another option BESIDES filing a return?
Also, it mentions that filing is only if you are LIABLE. I know that I am not liable. What I do is file a statement saying that I am doing it out of fear of being violated, but need help filing for the ALL CAPS constructive trust. I attach a 40 point affidavit with it to be rebutted.
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Post by Rizzotherat on Nov 30, 2004 8:52:53 GMT -5
It is not my intention to veer from the topic, but rizzo, have you ever read the privacy act notice on a 1040 instruction booklet? Did you know that it gives you another option BESIDES filing a return?
Also, it mentions that filing is only if you are LIABLE. I know that I am not liable. What I do is file a statement saying that I am doing it out of fear of being violated, but need help filing for the ALL CAPS constructive trust. I attach a 40 point affidavit with it to be rebutted. This sounds like a "patriot" "constitutionalist" "freeman" ideology. Not libertarian. I bought Mr. Stevens' book from a libertarian book catalog, not a "patriot" one. Mr. Stevens' needs to clear up just what he is and what he is promoting, if anything. I am interested in libertarianism, not being a "patriot" or someone who believes in "right to travel" or not having a drivers license, or not filing. Do not mistake me, I am not supporting a corrupt government. I feel "patriot" ideas cause far more trouble and invite the wrath of government. I thought the idea was to be left alone. Fighting with the IRS is not being left alone. Neo, are you starting a libertarian dating service? |
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 30, 2004 8:59:35 GMT -5
If someone disagrees with a position, then they should lay out the reasons why.
For example, I disagree with the 1040 patriot type filings, such a "zero" return because it gives legitimacy to the pretended "state."
The "show me the law" type stuff also gives legitimacy. If there were a "law" with your name on it, would that give the men and women dba the "state" a right to your property? This is an obvious no. Then the question serves no purpose other than give the "system" legitimacy and get one labeled a "tax protestor."
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 30, 2004 9:34:28 GMT -5
This sounds like a "patriot" "constitutionalist" "freeman" ideology. Mr. Stevens' needs to clear up just what he is and what he is promoting - Marc Stevens wrote a book as a libertarian front to bait people in to a hidden "patriot" agenda
- After he wrote a book, he started a forum in order to suck people in to an even deeper & darker path of "patriot mythology".
Sounds like you are an aggrieved party who bought the book with the idea of Marc promoting libertarianism. Well, an aggrieved party has the BURDEN OF PROOF of showing WHO breached the duty. Since your complaint lies in the fact that the website sold it as libertarian, your complaint is with those who filed it there. If you really had a legitimate beef with Marc, you would have to ask him if he mandated that the website file it in the Libertarian section.Why don't you email them, and tell them you believe that they have erroneously filed AILL in the wrong section? I am not supporting a corrupt government. I feel "patriot" ideas cause far more trouble and invite the wrath of government. I thought the idea was to be left alone. Fighting with the IRS is not being left alone.
Neo, are you starting a libertarian dating service? |
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Post by Rizzotherat on Nov 30, 2004 10:27:30 GMT -5
Marc has no duty or obligation through any implication to clear anything up. You said that you read the book twice. If that is true, then your above statement could only be justified like this: - Marc Stevens wrote a book as a libertarian front to bait people in to a hidden "patriot" agenda
- After he wrote a book, he started a forum in order to suck people in to an even deeper & darker path of "patriot mythology".
Sounds like you are an aggrieved party who bought the book with the idea of Marc promoting libertarianism. WOW, calm down Weishaupt! Smooth your tail feathers. There is no need for you to be mean to me. I am expressing my opinion. That is allowed. I do not have to agree with you to participate on this message board. Mr. Stevens' AILL is based on Libertarianism. I will quote directly from his book to prove this. Page 2, last paragraph: " This book however, is not a "patriot" book with patriot type arguments nor is it a self-help book. I don't make any legal or political arguments that people are not required to have a "driver's license" because they are allegedly only for "commercial" uses of the roads, the so-called "16th amendment" was not "ratified" and similar types of arguments." This convinces me that Mr. Stevens' is not a "patriot", "constitutionalist", or a "freeman". Page 3, second paragraph: " I believe parents are responsible for raising their own children, not mine. I have no "right" to have my neighbors pay for my children's education. I don't think my children have a "right" to an education at the expense of other, even if I or some faceless bureaucrats deem that education "necessary". The above statement is pure libertarianism. Page 217, second paragraph: "However, I don't need to reinvent the wheel; thee are many books already out dealing with this subject and I highly recommend the writings of Murray Rothbard and in particular Sic Itur ad astra by Andrew J. Galambos." Rothbard and Galambos are well known libertarians. Harry Browne (former Libertarian presidential candidate) worked with Galambos. Using his own words, Mr. Stevens' is not a "patriot" and is a Libertarian. |
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 30, 2004 11:54:29 GMT -5
WOW, calm down Weishaupt! Smooth your tail feathers. There is no need for you to be mean to me. I am expressing my opinion. That is allowed. I do not have to agree with you to participate on this message board. . Mr. Stevens' AILL is based on Libertarianism. Using his own words, Mr. Stevens' is not a "patriot" and is a Libertarian. |
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 30, 2004 12:31:49 GMT -5
Like I've said on numerous radio shows, I am a rational adult who believes all human interaction should be voluntary. That is libertarianism, voluntaryist. Okay, I think that is settled now.  ;D |
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 30, 2004 12:41:12 GMT -5
I agree with Weis, in that I don't see how his post could be construed as being "mean" to you Rizzo. I'm not sure why you drew that conclusion.
I would like to see you address Weis' concerns about the 1040 form if you would.
Also, I am wondering what are your thoughts on the right to travel? It appears that you believe that people who believe that they have a right to travel are in error. On what facts do you base this opinion? Would you state them please?
What is it that you see "wrong" about patriots? Could you make a list? Start with a definiton of "patriot" if you would.
Thanks in advance,
KT
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;D