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Post by patrickhenry2k5 on Sept 19, 2005 22:25:01 GMT -5
how would you go about getting a job without a ssn and birth certificate? I'm trying to get a job without either one. I'm trying to stay out of the system as much as possible. thanks.  |
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Post by Neo on Sept 19, 2005 23:20:08 GMT -5
Become a member of this forum so I'll have the ability to send you a message through it using the PM feature. You can also include an email address in your profile that I can email as well. Then, I will show you how to do this off the forum. Not get a job, but eliminate the need for one because, odds are, what you really mean is make money, and there are ways to do this without being asked up front what your ssn is or dob, and do it without a job, which many say stands for Just Over Broke in any event.
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Post by Neo on Sept 20, 2005 6:11:22 GMT -5
Okay, I see you're now a member. Check your inbox and ... 'welcome ... to the real world,' to quote Morpheus.
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Post by SSN NOT NEEDED on Sept 20, 2005 22:24:23 GMT -5
If you go to Peter Ericksons website lost horizons he shows a letter from the IRS that says a ssn is not necessary to have a job.Just like the myth that anyone with a job receives" wages "and is an "employee".great book also Cracking the Code.
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Post by Neo on Sept 20, 2005 23:44:48 GMT -5
99.99% of employers couldn't care less, even if you show them that letter or anything else that deviates from their beliefs about what they are convinced they have to do or should do.
Legal land is all one contradiction after another, e.g., SSA says applying for and getting an ssn is not required by law, BUT it's virtually impossible to get a job without one, therefore, you MUST get an ssn "by law," ipso facto. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BUT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE. NOTHING ABOUT LEGAL LAND MAKES SENSE, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND MARC'S BOOK. IT'S JUST ONE GREAT BIG P.R. SCAM. The only way to avoid getting an ssn (called different things in different "countries") or not using the one you have is to find an employer who is willing to pay you 'under the table,' i.e., 'break the law,' which is hard to do because of their fear of being caught, tried and hung by the neck until dead, OR to make money w/o an employer by starting your own cash-based business, such as driving a taxi, but you'd better own the taxi, etc. (but, even then you must buy the super expensive 'medallion' [license] to run a taxi business -- or you're called a 'gypsy'). There are other ways, but they cannot be discussed publicly, such as on this "private" board, or you risk being caught, tried and hung from the neck until dead, your home burned to the ground and your family raped, then murdered, so to speak, by your beloved government. Get it? As I've said before on this board, it doesn't matter what you think or can "prove" or say about yourself, the only thing that matters is what "they" (the people who won't leave you alone, i.e., gov't agents) think about you and how they interpret your activities. That's why the more you don't exist in their minds, the more you can achieve your goals -- invisibly. Therefore, 1) trust no one, 2) vanish.
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Post by Ditto Neo on Sept 22, 2005 7:14:13 GMT -5
I hate use neo con quotes but yes i agree i was only referencing for the record.I am with you i want out badly.Its all i think about.If i ever get out of traffic court.
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Post by Neo on Sept 22, 2005 11:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Sept 29, 2005 9:35:41 GMT -5
99.99% of employers couldn't care less, even if you show them that letter or anything else that deviates from their beliefs about what they are convinced they have to do or should do. Legal land is all one contradiction after another, e.g., SSA says applying for and getting an ssn is not required by law, BUT it's virtually impossible to get a job without one, therefore, you MUST get an ssn "by law," ipso facto. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BUT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE. NOTHING ABOUT LEGAL LAND MAKES SENSE, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND MARC'S BOOK. IT'S JUST ONE GREAT BIG P.R. SCAM. The only way to avoid getting an ssn (called different things in different "countries") or not using the one you have is to find an employer who is willing to pay you 'under the table,' i.e., 'break the law,' which is hard to do because of their fear of being caught, tried and hung by the neck until dead, OR to make money w/o an employer by starting your own cash-based business, such as driving a taxi, but you'd better own the taxi, etc. (but, even then you must buy the super expensive 'medallion' [license] to run a taxi business -- or you're called a 'gypsy'). There are other ways, but they cannot be discussed publicly, such as on this "private" board, or you risk being caught, tried and hung from the neck until dead, your home burned to the ground and your family raped, then murdered, so to speak, by your beloved government. Get it? As I've said before on this board, it doesn't matter what you think or can "prove" or say about yourself, the only thing that matters is what "they" (the people who won't leave you alone, i.e., gov't agents) think about you and how they interpret your activities. That's why the more you don't exist in their minds, the more you can achieve your goals -- invisibly. Therefore, 1) trust no one, 2) vanish. Trust no one -- except the long-time contributors to this board  Great rant, Neo... I, sadly, agree with much of it.  |
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Post by caseyriverrat5 on Oct 6, 2006 22:36:55 GMT -5
Neo
Could you email me the same info about getting a job w/o ssn?
my mail>riverat5 at localnet.com<
thanks caseyriverrat5
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Post by Neo on Oct 8, 2006 21:14:41 GMT -5
My thinking on this subject has changed as I've observed many ways to make money on the net using "network marketing" employ outright scams or soon to be business failures, so you have to be careful what you get involved in and do so only after checking them out carefully. (For example, Frederick Mann is an expert at promoting such "opportunities." His freedom philosophy at buildfreedom.com is great but he doesn't have a practical way to put it into effect for anyone but himself and maybe a few others, many of whom eventually lose the money they made while he still wins because he lives off the "fees" he got for recommending the scam in the first place.) So I'd keep investments in this or that "opportunity" small to avoid "losing all your eggs in one basket." Ideal situation is to "find a job you love (or at least like), so you never have to work a day in your life." If you can find someone you trust who pays you cash to do what you do for them, no one will know you work this way. Also, if you don't contact agents, odds are you'll never hear from them either. Also consider dropping your current "citizenship" status legally (following all the stupid agent-made rules to do so) and find a "country" with a better tax-deal than your current one.
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Post by tharrin on Oct 11, 2006 11:23:04 GMT -5
Interesting Neo
It appears you have come to the same conclusion that I did a few years ago. My experiences were to legally rebut the assumptions of the "state" in so much as can be done so when they attack, you can point to your "legally" entered affidavits and written rebuttals as proof of one's none citizenship; and therefore negate their claim upon you.
What is really bothersome is most people have not come to the understanding that they don't live in the fiction they think they do and furthermore really don't know the fiction they do live in, that being the fledgling republic that was originally created by the constitution was conquered in 1865 and the "Reconstruction Act" was literal and reformed the conquered republic into a democracy.
Now all of this is fiction but a vastly larger number of people think they live under the fiction called the constitution and are thereby awarded rights by virtue of...Bunk of course but a fairly accurate observation.
In reality, they do not realize (although it is pretty obvious) they live in a conquered land, run by mafia-like organizations and operated like a for profit corporation.
Handing them paper is superfluous. They care not what you hand them. They are the masters and believe this to be true. The veil is kept in place to kept the sleeping unaware.
It is unlikely that the godfather of this thing called the united states is going to set you free or let you not pay tribute. You may get away with it for a while but odds are the henchmen are just waiting for their orders.
If you can find a taxing situation in another fiction odds are that fiction is just as dependent on their tributes as this one and may have fictitious "legal" polices that have harder and more restrictive consequences but that would be true of any of the g-8 fictions.
Best start you quest here, it's as good a place as any.
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Post by NonEntity on Oct 11, 2006 11:59:59 GMT -5
Well, the Perpetual Tourist idea is probably best, since they all try to maintain the appearance of validity in their fictions. It goes like this:
Be a "citizen" of one country,
live in another,
make your income in a third,
and hold your money in a fourth.
Countries are generally much nicer to "guests" than they are to their own citizens, if only because it suits their purposes, and most "guests" are brining money to them but not requiring any significant outlay in the form of "services."
So you play them against each other, using their rules. It's quite sweet, actually. Except it is disruptive regarding family, raising children and lots of other things. But if it suits your lifestyle and desires, it seems quite workable. Stay on the move, stay below the radar...
- NonE
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Post by Neo on Oct 12, 2006 2:41:22 GMT -5
I've heard this called "jurisdictional arbitrage."
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Post by Darren Dirt on Oct 12, 2006 10:25:57 GMT -5
how would you go about getting a job without a ssn and birth certificate? I'm trying to get a job without either one. I'm trying to stay out of the system as much as possible. thanks. A f ew months ago while on a bus to work, I jotted down what is essentially a theoretical dialog "script" when I am consider a "change in source of income". The one thing I realized is that I can NEVER go back to being an "employee", but I currently and will always see myself as a "service provider". Being an employee means you are seeking and receiving certain "benefits" from the state (i.e. paid holidays, guaranteed vacation, labour law protection, etc.) and if you are in a 3-party relationship where you are receiving those kind of benefits it's pretty difficult to claim you don't owe that benefit-giving party something in return. At the very least, you would "owe" the state your Citizen ID, so they can "correctly administer" all them benefits as needed, right? :-\ Maybe I'll post my "script" here, it might be appropriate. I just realized this is an ancient post recently "resurrected" so I wonder how many others have new/changed ideas about earning income without the "compelling interest of the state" being involved... Neo, sadly I agree with you re. MLM/NWM -- even if the originators of the system are honest and noble, most of those involved are not really "believers" in the product/idea, instead they just wanna increase their "downline" so they can win the ocean cruise, the new car, or get in the "top 10 producers" list or whatever (along with the increased income of course). It really comes down to this simple way of "making a living": 1) Provide a product or service that is valued by the market (even if the "market" is just a single business that you contract with for an extended period of time, like my situation) and 2) do not seek out the "protection" of the state in any form -- not through "incorporation", not re. "labour laws" or "workers' compensation" or even "government health care". Then you've got so few strings attached to your natural right to earn a livelihood, that you're way less likely to be "harassed" by the legalized jackboot patrol. And even if they DO dig their parasitical claws into you, then in your probable years-long communications with them you can justifiably ask questions with phrases such as "by what authority/on what factual basis..." and "why, how, and at when did you acquire control over..." IMHO of course. (blah blah not legal advice blah blah do your own thing blah take responsibility for your own actions blah blah good luck blah balh). |
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Post by NonEntity on Oct 12, 2006 11:47:43 GMT -5
One of the things that I have noticed is that all of the (or most of the) government agencies communicate with each other. The bottom line is that if you have any dealings with ANY one of them you are automatically caught up in the web of many more. So avoid ANY contact with ANY of them. Don't get a tax number. Don't get a business license. and so on... Try and arrange your dealings so that they are not illegal. For instance, it used to be in Florida (and I don't know what it is now) that if you provided a service there were no sales taxes. But if that service included the slightest product, then the ENTIRE transaction was taxable. Well, if you make sure that any product that is required for you to perfom the service is provided by the customer and not by you, then you avoid the whole issue of sales tax and you do so legally. If they come after you they have no basis.
- NonE
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