government authority is brute force

[goldenrule]

I don't think I was suggesting that people who heard this anti-social parasite would suddenly develop an altruistic urge to take action on someone else's behalf.

What I was "guaranteeing" is that many as it pertains to their own minds would be jolted in a way that MAY lead to them to take action. Or at the very least be more receptive to that "nut" relative that has been bending their ear every holiday.

[Neo]

Many are so asleep, they would insist this lawyer is WRONG by saying "Gov't is a representative democracy," etc.. It is NOT brute force and nothing more.

For example, one individual I know who read AILL insisted the court's decision in "Bowers v. Devito" (pg. 220, AiLL) was WRONG. They said " Gov't DOES have a duty to protect."

This is what we're up against. Idiocy, writ large.

[goldenrule]

It should be rather easy to dispel your friend's opinion that government has a black letter "duty" to protect.

Have him try to bring an action against the "federal government" for its failure in its "duty" to protect. Have him read "Call 911 and Die". That book is replete with examples of lawsuits against so-called "governments" being thrown out because there is not a duty on the part of the various levels of "government" to protect.

He can believe in Santa Claus too, if he doesn't mind those pesky FACTS

[Neo]

I know about all of that.

Problem is, it's not logic he/they (proud self-declared "citizens") rely on. Even if you "hit them with everything you've got," they fall back to something like what government is SUPPOSED to do (according to them) versus / as opposed to what it is actually REQUIRED to do, "by law," whether decisional (judge made) or legislature (lawyer) created.

It's the classic, "BUT, BUT, BUT" answer.

I'm reminded of the line in "Jaws" (a movie) when one guy says something like, "The only way they'll listen is if the shark swims up and bites them on the ass," i.e., it "has to touch them personally," as Marc has put it.

[goldenrule]

Neo said:

I know about all of that.

Problem is, it's not logic he/they (proud self-declared "citizens") rely on. Even if you "hit them with everything you've got," they fall back to something like what government is SUPPOSED to do (according to them) versus / as opposed to what it is actually REQUIRED to do, "by law," whether decisional (judge made) or legislature (lawyer) created.

It's the classic, "BUT, BUT, BUT" answer.

I'm reminded of the line in "Jaws" (a movie) when one guy says something like, "The only way they'll listen is if the shark swims up and bites them on the ass," i.e., it "has to touch them personally," as Marc has put it.

Yeah, I hear you. I think the term is cognitive dissonance, its a bugger.

[Darren Dirt]

Sorta related to this topic; looks like even to videogamers they are letting the truth come out ve3d.ign.com/articles/579/579289p1.html

PS: re. above...
cognitive dissonance

-condition of conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between one's beliefs and one's actions, such as opposing the slaughter of animals and eating meat.

-psychological conflict resulting from simultaneously held incongruous beliefs and attitudes (as a fondness for smoking and a belief that it is harmful)

source: dictionary.com, urbandictionary.com.


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[weis]

Neo said:

"The only way they'll listen is if the shark swims up and bites them on the ass,"

lol

[lazerwood]

learnin2 wrote:

"I think people mostly go along with the IRS out of fear, caused by threats, duress and coersion.
IRS=forced redistribution of slavery."

You are giving the immediate, surface answer to the question. I am giving the answer to what has led to the situation that we "fear" the IRS and all other similar situations that place us on the "short end of the stick".

So it seems that both are correct but are from different perspectives.

[Darren Dirt]

Guest-weis said:

lol

Might I suggest that in our "non-Success Stories" or similar, when we are sharing our encounters with those whose minds are closed off (i.e. they are ignorant, not simply uninformed) that we shake the dust off our shoes and declare to the rest of the class,

"Yet another case of Jaws"

;D

[j]

I think the hypnosis of the controlled media via bread and circuses have created a society of eunchs who don't have the you no whats to fight.In my latest skirmish i was the only person of forty to fight their tribute vouchers for the legal crime family. The others either gave the bullies their lunch money or signed for more abuse with something called a differment.(for the truly mindless and gutless Plebians) This is the land of afraid and home of the slaves.

[sadie]

thompsonnews.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_thompsonnews_archive.html#108015222751166886

[Neo]

That link left by sadie, above, goes to a long article about patriot arguments, though the first paragraph is good because it shows how the cards are stacked against you.

I'm reminded of Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

"What is your favorite color?!"

"Pink, no, Orange." (The wrong answer, and you're toast.)

See Scene 23 at www.rit.edu/~smo4215/monty.htm

[JUDGE MENTAL]

That agent was saying what we've been saying all along so it confirms it and also makes our job much easier.

The job of destroying his world by waking humanity up.

That`s one proposal for the job that needs doing.Here`s another from a bygone age,written by a man whose writings I have found to be very articulate:

www.aapsonline.org/brochures/isaiah.htm

J M

[learnin2]

How do we orginize and get congress to abolish the war powers act?

[weis]

I don't know if you've read or own a copy of AILL yet, but Washing D.C. is a municipal corporation. The congressman are CEO's. If you vote, then you are agreeing via implied contract that you are happy to be one of their subjects.

So here's an analogy(though incomlete, but only as an illustration) :

You are a tomato picker for Del Monte. It can be proven that you voluntarily chose to be subject to their corporate regulations by the application which you filled out & is filed at Human resources.

You & a bunch of other tomato pickers find the working conditions to be uncomfortable due to some of the corporate rules & regs. So you & a bunch of other tomato pickers get together & decide to write some letters to the CEO's for Del Monte complaining about the working conditions. They reply back with xeroxed letterhead thanking you for your letter. Nothing happens. You do it again--Nothing. You do research & find out other past tomato pickers did the same thing to no avail. So you get an organization called the Tomato Pickers Unioin (TPU) to complain about the uncomfortable conditions resulting from the corporate guidelines. This is getting nationwide atttention now & Mike Wallace even shows up to the CEO's house, etc . . .

But guess what? People are still buying Del Monte's products.
So what do you do? Keep picking tomatos for Del Monte or walk off the plantation?

P.S.Unfortunately when you try to walk off, there are some armed guards you have to sneak by.