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Post by marc stevens on Jan 12, 2005 19:21:45 GMT -5
I had a phone conversation today with a lawyer who represents men and women DBA the "IRS."
He claimed government authority is brute force. Who am I to argue? I asked him why he believed the government (he agreed it was just men and women) had a right to Mr. X's property and he told me, "because we can take it." He believes the "law" and "constitution" are ultimately irrelevant to create a tax liability because the obligation is created by nothing more than the fact the "IRS" can just take the property by force.
I asked him what the difference was between the US gov't and groups like the mafia and he said only that the US gov't is bigger and has more guns.
When I asked if there would be an obligation if there was no constitution he only replied, "Then there would be no limit to what we could do."
I asked him if he was willing to put his opinions in writing or present them in open court and he said he didn't have to, everyone knows government is brute force and does not rely on consent.
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Post by NonEntity on Jan 12, 2005 19:36:39 GMT -5
How refreshingly honest!
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 12, 2005 20:03:36 GMT -5
I guess that's a more articulated way of sticking their middle finger up at us.
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Post by Rizzotherat on Jan 12, 2005 20:34:32 GMT -5
I had a phone conversation today with a lawyer who represents men and women DBA the "IRS." He claimed government authority is brute force. Who am I to argue? I asked him why he believed the government (he agreed it was just men and women) had a right to Mr. X's property and he told me, "because we can take it." He believes the "law" and "constitution" are ultimately irrelevant to create a tax liability because the obligation is created by nothing more than the fact the "IRS" can just take the property by force. I asked him what the difference was between the US gov't and groups like the mafia and he said only that the US gov't is bigger and has more guns. When I asked if there would be an obligation if there was no constitution he only replied, "Then there would be no limit to what we could do." I asked him if he was willing to put his opinions in writing or present them in open court and he said he didn't have to, everyone knows government is brute force and does not rely on consent. WOW! Can I take a guess that this lawyer is from Kalifornia? How was the tone of his voice? Was he arrogant, or was he apathetic? |
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 12, 2005 20:44:40 GMT -5
I quess that puts to rest any dilusions of freedom, as far as they are conserned.
Just SNAP your heals and salute the new NAZI's.
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Post by Neo on Jan 12, 2005 21:19:45 GMT -5
I hope the conversation was tape recorded.
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 12, 2005 21:54:56 GMT -5
Maybe the word "authority" (a nulity) should be removed from the title of this thread?
Government IS brute force.
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Post by lazerwood on Jan 12, 2005 21:56:48 GMT -5
People like that have "power" because the other 99.9 percent of us participate in their illusions. We are in bondage to them in this physical existence because collectively we are in bondage spiritually and mentally. Collectively, we act like slaves, think like slaves, respond like slaves. We're treated as we respond. If "they" are in the vast minority by way of sheer numbers, why are we then on the "short end of the stick"? I rest my case. Of course, I am not speaking to those on this forum. I'm "preaching to the choir".  Collectively, when we get our "inner man" "right", both spiritually and by coupling the spirit man with knowledge such as found on this forum, the world changing external things will follow suit. Will this ever happen on a mass scale with humanity? I'll let you decide. |
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 12, 2005 22:04:32 GMT -5
People like that have "power" because the other 99.9 percent of us participate in their illusions. We are in bondage to them in this physical existence because collectively we are in bondage spiritually and mentally. Collectively, we act like slaves, think like slaves, respond like slaves. I think people mostly go along with the IRS out of fear, caused by threats, duress and coersion. IRS=forced redistribution of slavery. |
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 12, 2005 22:11:56 GMT -5
The more I read the lawyers comments, the more it sounds like terrorist threats. Remove the document that gives us authorization, and will be more powerful? No restrictions i quess. Kind of like saying that the constituion never really did authorize them, nor do they need it to. None dare call it treason!
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 13, 2005 2:51:49 GMT -5
I hope the conversation was tape recorded. For what purpose ? Marc said : "I asked him if he was willing to put his opinions in writing or present them in open court and he said he didn't have to, everyone knows government is brute force and does not rely on consent. " J M |
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Post by sagas4 on Jan 13, 2005 10:51:58 GMT -5
I wonder how Mr. Atty. would feel if tomorrow the 250 Million of us woke up and said no to the 250 thousand of them.
This is like the mouse controlling an elephant because the elephant has never looked in the mirror and realized he is the elephant and not the mouse.
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - G. Washington.
Perhaps it is time we throw some water on it. - Sagas4
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Post by goldenrule on Jan 13, 2005 11:17:05 GMT -5
For what purpose ? Marc said : "I asked him if he was willing to put his opinions in writing or present them in open court and he said he didn't have to, everyone knows government is brute force and does not rely on consent. " J M I couldn't disagree more with "judge mental". To those of us that participate of this board that comment from the anti-social parasite might sound like a DUH. I can guarantee you that if his words could be played in open court to the sleep-walkers in general population, it would have an immediate impact. Those in the "Matrix" believe they live in a "represenative democracy", that they have some measure of control. I think if they could hear "Al Capone" in all his arrogant glory spew for such violent statements "they" would be VERY attentive. |
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Post by NonEntity on Jan 13, 2005 12:05:56 GMT -5
emphasis added
I'm a bit more circumspect with things that I can "guarantee" as I find that human beings say one thing and then do something completely different.
Respect for "MY" property does not extend to "YOUR" property.
Divide and conquer. Works wonders!
Don't go expecting anyone to run to your rescue. They won't, even if it's the "right" thing to do.
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Post by Neo on Jan 13, 2005 12:06:12 GMT -5
JM,
GR has already effectively responded for me. I was going to write,
"So it could be put online so people could hear it."
That agent was saying what we've been saying all along so it confirms it and also makes our job much easier.
The job of destroying his world by waking humanity up.
IRS has also been said to mean Ignorance Related Slavery.
If this lawyer is the villain then so are all of the voters who voted for their bosses.
Is that millions of "Americans" who allegedly voted for Bush and or Carey?
As many who voted for Bush (or Carey, if he had "won") will tell you "they" (meaning, those voters) "won the election." There is your master (those voters). This lawyer is just one of their agents.
Agent Smith cannot function without a power source.
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