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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 10, 2004 18:04:39 GMT -5
Individual Master File = IMF
It is the file that the IRS keeps on all their "customers". The story is that if someone hands in a 1040 and they are not engaged in a taxable activity, there is an office where IRS employees fudge with this person's IMF and falsely state that the "Tax Payer" is engaged in some taxable activity that they are not i.e. "international liquor exporter" or something instead of their true occupation.
IMF's are encoded though. When you receive your IMF you must get someone to decode it or get a piece of software that can do it. It is suggested that the lies be rebutted and updated with true information indicating that no taxable activity is being engaged in.
Does this work? I don't have personal experience so I dont' know.
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Post by rushpat on Nov 11, 2004 11:56:01 GMT -5
I think there is a docoder program you can download from the famguardian site: www.famguardian.orgLook for the IMF decoder on the left side of the main screen. Also, does anyone know at what point the IMF is created? Is it on the first 1040, or some other time? What about someone that never files a 1040? Do they even have one? |
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 11, 2004 17:12:16 GMT -5
Aside from the fact there are different codes for different years, don't you think that diverts attention away from the real issue? Also, why take a position the people trying to take your property have any legitimacy?
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Post by Vinnie the Wrench on Nov 11, 2004 18:14:23 GMT -5
Marc,
I agree with you that getting one's IMF corrected doesn't address the most fundamental issues. However, many of us know that the IRS ignores everything that anyone says and once they've sent their "notices," etc. they simply proceed and don't listen to anything, no matter how true or logical. I've been told that the incorrect "codes" entered into one's IMF is what allows the IRS computers to spit out letters, notices, etc. and that, if one gets the false data taken out of one's IMF, their computers no longer print out these notices, etc. and also that no IRS agent/employee will begin a "proceeding" (e.g., where's your return? we adjusted your account; etc.) or take any action for that matter without first being handed one of these computer-generated pieces of correspondence.
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 11, 2004 18:56:49 GMT -5
Marc,
I agree with you but Vinnie has crystalized my thoughts exactly here. The topic is IRS Notices. The question is...does rebutting one's IMF stop the notices? The notices are automatically spit out by a computer referencing "taxable" activity.
Next question would be how to take home your pay check without any local or fed tax deductions. Would rebutting the IMF help out here too?
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 12, 2004 0:54:41 GMT -5
It is an assumption though. Vinnie wrote: "I've been told..." There is no way to prove it. Assuming it's correct, is there any evidence someone has corrected the code? If so, has that caused the agents to back off?
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 12, 2004 14:22:24 GMT -5
Yep, it is an assumption so far. I am still trying to track down some facts or someone who may have some facts. You said that you knew of people who did this (codebreaking). Are these the same people at the CodeBreakers web site?
My theory is that people may be able to file zero returns and get a full refund without being harassed by the IRS computer letters if their IMFs were corrected.
KT
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 12, 2004 15:15:37 GMT -5
I know Mark & Tina in Payson. I don't know if they are with codebreakers though.
People who file zero returns usually get the $500 frivolous filing penalty letter.
I have had success just asking for the facts to support the opinion there is an obligation. If they think there is an obligation, then fine. Give me the facts and I'll fulfill the obligation.
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 12, 2004 16:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah but how much success? People I talk to say they are constantly harassed by letters and told that their replies to earlier letters are not even received even though they have green cards to prove they were sent. What has been the experience of Mark and Tina after correcting people's IMF? Any difference in notices? I have heard of the $500 frivolous deal too for zero returns. I wonder if that also applies to $1 returns hehehe. Hey man, I'm for whatever works. Are you saying that they just leave you alone when you make your offer & ask your question? I mean completely alone? No notices anymore? Come on........Come on.....  |
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 12, 2004 22:41:59 GMT -5
The key is to what Marc stated. Arrange, or most likely, intrude upon their ground in person & ask questions. Most importantly, MAKE A RECORD. They know how powerful this is which is why they avoid that more than coughing up an IMF file thousands of miles long. However, in Marc's words, you could hire a process server with the channel 10 news televising the request for a hearing during the Superbowl & they still deny that they received any correspondence.I['m just gonna raw dog it & storm the gates & demand a hearing on the spot.
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 13, 2004 1:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah but how much success? People I talk to say they are constantly harassed by letters and told that their replies to earlier letters are not even received even though they have green cards to prove they were sent. Whether they back off depends on the agents, usually the emotional attachment to a particular case. More than 50% they back off. What has been the experience of Mark and Tina after correcting people's IMF? Any difference in notices? I can't say. I don't know. Hey man, I'm for whatever works. Are you saying that they just leave you alone when you make your offer & ask your question? I mean completely alone? No notices anymore? Come on........Come on..... Depends on the agent. Most times they stop. |
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Post by BC20charternet on Nov 16, 2004 19:27:18 GMT -5
Lets get back to the 3rd parties. I take it no one knows how to shut 3rd parties down. The IRS has absolutly no power if we could control the 3rd parties. IRS gets all third parties such as banks, title companies county recorders employers all of these 3rd parties break the law the IRS the worst thing they do lie.
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 17, 2004 0:15:41 GMT -5
There are contracting services out there that may still be able to help with the third party issue. If you don't have an employer...
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Post by tharrin on Jan 11, 2005 18:47:58 GMT -5
I am responding not with a great deal of knowledge but some data filed in my head. I know I have hear that there is a method to shut down third parties trying to collect from you. My understanding is that most times a third party is employed to collect funds, it is when the original patitioner for those funds have written them off.
I believe this primarily applies to loans, credit cards or other such debt devices. Regardless, you devise and send a document asking when you contracted with them and what binds you to their requesting funds from you. Much like Marc asks of the judicial bullies. The answer is you never contracted with them and you owe them nothing even if they say they represent the original claim.
Third-parties are usually employed to hound and coerse you into submiting.
Not concise information but one of those things filed in the back of my head. With a little research you could probably prove or disprove this theory.
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Post by sagas4 on Jan 11, 2005 19:08:18 GMT -5
Tharrin
I'm not sure but I think the third parties issue is confusing here.
A. Me and the Bank are doing business together.
b. The IRS thinks they need some of my money.
c. I tell'em get lost.
d. IRS does an end run around me - Notifies bank they want my money
e. Bank complies.
Who's the real third party we're discussing here?
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