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Post by sagas4 on Mar 31, 2006 3:13:52 GMT -5
I read the BBC review a while back before the posts here and found a few interesting things in there. My initial thought was that this reviewer liked the film but was afraid to come out and say it but I'm off in Sagasland again. Here's an interesting exerpt from the Guide Live Review. " The central problem is that the world we currently live in has overwhelmed this film's conjured future.
We don't need a movie to speculate on what it's like to live in a world driven crazy with fear by chaos and violence or the way that fear could be used to exploit and oppress us.
We already live in that world – it's as if the Wachowski brothers have made their 1984,
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Post by texzap on Mar 31, 2006 9:57:52 GMT -5
I saw it last night. It was excellent.
The message was about overcoming fear. The girl said she lived her life in fear. Even though she knew the truth about the way her country operated, she just went along with the masses.
Through a painful process, V had her overcome her fears. At first she didn't appreciate everything he subjected her to, but she later realized what he had done for her.
This is a message for all of us.
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Post by dvishnu on Mar 31, 2006 9:59:32 GMT -5
Apparently, George Orwell did an numerical switcherooo when he coined the title 1984....It was a warning to its readers as to the further usurption of freedom in 1948, the year the book was published....
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 1, 2006 12:58:37 GMT -5
I saw it last night. It was excellent. The message was about overcoming fear. The girl said she lived her life in fear. Even though she knew the truth about the way her country operated, she just went along with the masses. Through a painful process, V had her overcome her fears. At first she didn't appreciate everything he subjected her to, but she later realized what he had done for her. This is a message for all of us. When you said "the girl" it took me a few moments to realize you meant Evey; I originally thought you meant the girl with the "Coke bottle glasses", the heroic minor character that to me was very inpsirational -- she was tired of living in fear, and openly proclaimed "bollocks!" when offered the lies by the tyrants and minions.  |
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Post by Neo on Apr 2, 2006 16:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 3, 2006 13:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by NonEntity on Apr 3, 2006 23:13:30 GMT -5
Stefan Molyneux has done an audio review of "V" that has some really excellent points in it, in my opinion. I recommend it. - NonE |
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Post by sagas4 on Apr 4, 2006 1:21:46 GMT -5
Yes a good interview until he get's to worshiping the Chomster . . . then I forgot everything Stefan said and think it detracts from Stefan's message here's why: Chomsky's ideas are a variant of marxism pretending to be anarchist, plain and simple.
Chomsky claims to see the working population as the force for change; however, if you study his ideas closely, Chomsky supports the centralized state as a means of protecting alleged gains made by a working class. Although Chomsky claims to endorse a "free market", the statements are a contradiction. Chomsky has no explanation as how one achieves the "statelessness" presumed by an anarchist approach, by encouraging the growth of statist controls to "protect" the gains of the working class.
In reality and fact, how can one achieve "statelessness" by encouraging statist controls? The two ideas are exclusive of each other and cannot logically be reconciled, because the purpose of the state would be to work itself out of existence. . . . As this anonymous poster said in response to my post, thereisnostate.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1111277704&page=2#1111815320[. . . ]Noam Chomsky makes some of these observations. Toward the end though he uses the flawed logic of, well if a steel mill is producing waste products, and can't be profitable, it can be ran as a "public institution", such as a utility. The government can and does operate some things at a loss for the benefit of other industries. It can afford to expend resources minimizing waste byproduct to produce cleaner, but can still sell at a loss so the cheap steel can benefit and support the economy and other industries. (What a communistic statement . . . how can anyone in their right mind believe this guy is an anarcho-capitalist or the various other freedom labels placed upon him?). ahhem, sorry for my rant there. He totally misses the point that the government can operate at a loss because it can print all the paper it wants or simply steal more form the people through taxation. Who ever proclaimed he is a NWO Shill is half right. It is the OWO just repackaged and being peddled as something "New". [. . .] [. . .] It's like Chomski arguing for free market this and that, and when asked how we get there his solution is always well we must have some changes in the laws so government can blah blah blah . . . . Yep, every time I listen to the Chomster I think Anarcho-Capitalist or Voluntary society . . . . NOT! |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 4, 2006 8:45:33 GMT -5
Chomsky's ideas are a variant of marxism pretending to be anarchist, plain and simple. Chomsky claims to see the working population as the force for change; however, if you study his ideas closely, Chomsky supports the centralized state as a means of protecting alleged gains made by a working class. Although Chomsky claims to endorse a "free market", the statements are a contradiction. Chomsky has no explanation as how one achieves the "statelessness" presumed by an anarchist approach, by encouraging the growth of statist controls to "protect" the gains of the working class. Agreed, oh and PS: it was Alex Jones who proclaimed at the end of an "ambush interview" a few years back, (my paraphrase) The Chom = ['anarcho'-commie] NWO Shill (I suspect that the anon poster "Hey State, do all the cleaning up, then get the bleep outta the way - yeah right!" was me in a weird mood that day  ) |
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Post by tharrin on Apr 4, 2006 9:18:40 GMT -5
I saw the movie two weeks after it's initial opening. The sound in this particular theater was not very good so I found myself straining to hear what was being said.
Suffice it to say that it was still a rewarding movie, that will require closer scrutiny in DVD form. I look forward to it. I never read the graphic novel but intend to do so in the near future.
It is so interesting how our statist programming plays in the back of our minds while seeing anti-statist dialog played out before us. I constantly have to jump up and down on the statist mole that keeps popping it's head up when I examine a movie or book such as this.
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Post by NonEntity on Apr 4, 2006 9:40:06 GMT -5
" I constantly have to jump up and down on the statist mole that keeps popping it's head up when I examine a movie or book such as this."
I was wondering how you stay so fit and trim, Tharrin. It's working well for you. Keep it up! ;-)
- NonE
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 4, 2006 13:57:53 GMT -5
Here, I have a small hatchet that might assist you in finally and completely removing said "mole" from your body/mind -- and hey that "statist voice" that keeps speaking to you, I guess that helps to explain some things you've said j/k Good luck in your ideological exorcism ... |
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Post by dvishnu on Apr 4, 2006 14:01:50 GMT -5
Here, I have a small hatchet that might assist you in finally and completely removing said "mole" from your body/mind -- and hey that "statist voice" that keeps speaking to you, I guess that helps to explain some things you've said j/k Good luck in your ideological exorcism ... Someone call for a priest? |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 4, 2006 14:08:48 GMT -5
Here, I have a small hatchet that might assist you in finally and completely removing said "mole" from your body/mind -- and hey that "statist voice" that keeps speaking to you, I guess that helps to explain some things you've said j/k Good luck in your ideological exorcism ... Someone call for a priest? Well, most statist courtrooms AND legislative rooms *are* arranged like a church/cathedral, the "officers" wear flowing robes, the "faithful" are encouraged to whisper and then remain silent when the "leader" speaks, they gotta pay "their dues" under threat of frightening harm to body/mind/spirit, ...hmmm... |
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Post by dvishnu on Apr 4, 2006 22:44:20 GMT -5
Should I bring the rosary beads? To their temple/lair? ;D Someone call for a priest? Well, most statist courtrooms AND legislative rooms *are* arranged like a church/cathedral, the "officers" wear flowing robes, the "faithful" are encouraged to whisper and then remain silent when the "leader" speaks, they gotta pay "their dues" under threat of frightening harm to body/mind/spirit, ...hmmm... |
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