WWJ, how do you do it?

[NonEntity]

WWJ, I am impressed at the ability you seem to have shown to function at a level that privides you with apparent health and happiness, all the while living pretty much totally outside of the strictures of the "state."

You can't be totally independent. I know you didn't make the steel that your bike consists of, and you must trade with many others for much or most of the things that make your life work.

This implies that you have either figured out how to break "their" laws regarding all of the controls that are placed on trade and work and money and such, OR you have found other means of living your life in a manner that does not conflict with those laws while at the same time providing you with access to the communities with whom you wish to trade.

You've outlined a bit of how you have gone about opting out of the state as far as license, land, and such. I wonder if you might be inclined to share with us how you can "get by" while maintaining your individual sovereignty.

And please note that I am not asking how to break the law, but rather how to live such that the law is not relevant to what you do.

(Well, actually I saw somewhere that you DO pay taxes on your land, so you obviously still rent THAT from the government, thus conceding that they own it and not you. )

[Winston Ward Johnson]

NonEntity said:

WWJ, I am impressed at the ability you seem to have shown to function at a level that privides you with apparent health and happiness, all the while living pretty much totally outside of the strictures of the "state."

You can't be totally independent. I know you didn't make the steel that your bike consists of, and you must trade with many others for much or most of the things that make your life work.

This implies that you have either figured out how to break "their" laws regarding all of the controls that are placed on trade and work and money and such, OR you have found other means of living your life in a manner that does not conflict with those laws while at the same time providing you with access to the communities with whom you wish to trade.

You've outlined a bit of how you have gone about opting out of the state as far as license, land, and such. I wonder if you might be inclined to share with us how you can "get by" while maintaining your individual sovereignty.

And please note that I am not asking how to break the law, but rather how to live such that the law is not relevant to what you do.

(Well, actually I saw somewhere that you DO pay taxes on your land, so you obviously still rent THAT from the government, thus conceding that they own it and not you. )

Hey I finally made it back down to Kentucky (full time that is), and all is well!
I do indeed live my live as a free Human Being. I don't 'break' laws I simply ignore the rules, regulations and 'laws' of the thuggery known as government. As I've stated, I am not a party to any 'social compact', therefore unless or until my actions actually harm another Human Being their rules, regulations and 'laws' simply don't apply to me - period. And yes I am very happy and content with my level of freedom.
I've already posted that I don't ask permission from any 'governmental agency' to do that which I claim a right to do. 'They' cannot make you do anything! They can only make you wish that you had done so - the choice is up to each of us. I've choosen not to comply.
Yes I use FRN's on a limited basis as a medium of exchange. I trade and barter as much as is possible. It should be obvious that I live my freedom in the bright light of day for all to see, so I don't 'skirt' their 'laws'. I personally believe that the essay Freedom on a Leash best describes why some go 'leashless', some have a long leash on their freedom while others have a short leash. I took my leash off back in 1993, I didn't go country, I didn't go postal, I went feral!
I'm not sure this board is the place to discuss my tactics as it doesn't seem to fit in with the principles of AiLL. If you or anyone else would like to contact me you may do so at:
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Yes I pay $65 per year in 'property taxes' on our 20 acres. As I've posted on other boards the reason that I'm willing to do so is quite simple. I use the public library in T-ville, I make limited use of the 'county roads', therefore I don't have a problem paying towards those services. I think it was back in 2000 that I went into the PVA Office and informed them that my 20 acres is not 'registered' with the County Clerk's Office. By 'law' as a new property owner I am 'required' to list my property with the PVA Office, but as I told him I would not be doing so. I then informed him that I would pay the 'property taxes' on our 20 acres as long as I feel that I am receiving an equal amount of 'services'. At any time that I don't feel that I am, I will no longer pay the property taxes. I am not in the least concerned if and when that time comes. So no I don't 'rent' my 20 acres from the 'government'.

It has never been my intention to get others to 'break the law', I've merely posted how I've gone about actually living my freedom.

[NonEntity]

WWJ,

Thanks so much for your reply.

What is a PVA?

Back in the 80's I came to the conclusion that owning property was simply giving the government a "handle" on me, so I went mobile. I still have a handle in the form of license tags (what a horrid feeling that has when I spell it out like that in black and white!), but a moving target is harder to hit.

As to whether or not this is the correct venue for this discussion, Marc stated (I'll paraphrase from memory) that this was a place to discuss breaking the mindset that there is an obligation to "the government." So until he clarifies otherwise it would appear to me that your method of approaching life fits in very well with his concept of breaking the mental chains that bind us.

I must admit that I find those chains lay heavy on my mind at some gut level even though on an intellectual level they don't exist. I guess it is a fear of losing everything I have that keeps me trying to live within the "law," even when I know the law is meaningless in protecting me from itself. "They" will do just whatever it is they please anyway, law or no law. Still...

So I'm very pleased to have learned about Marc and his ideas and am finding that I am able more and more to incorporate them into my thinking every day. You seem to have made a leap further than he. I want to try to get my inner self to be able to accept what my mind already does. NOT an easy thing to do.

You say that the law does not apply to you and yet you don't drive, or maybe it's just that you don't own a motor vehicle. So on some level you are accepting that there are limits. Your choice of limits is different than mine and different than Marc's. We seem to all accept that there are limits. The boundaries are where I'm finding myself confused.

So... that's where I am today.

Thanks again.

[Winston Ward Johnson]

NonEntity said:

WWJ,

Thanks so much for your reply.

What is a PVA?

Back in the 80's I came to the conclusion that owning property was simply giving the government a "handle" on me, so I went mobile. I still have a handle in the form of license tags (what a horrid feeling that has when I spell it out like that in black and white!), but a moving target is harder to hit.

As to whether or not this is the correct venue for this discussion, Marc stated (I'll paraphrase from memory) that this was a place to discuss breaking the mindset that there is an obligation to "the government." So until he clarifies otherwise it would appear to me that your method of approaching life fits in very well with his concept of breaking the mental chains that bind us.

I must admit that I find those chains lay heavy on my mind at some gut level even though on an intellectual level they don't exist. I guess it is a fear of losing everything I have that keeps me trying to live within the "law," even when I know the law is meaningless in protecting me from itself. "They" will do just whatever it is they please anyway, law or no law. Still...

So I'm very pleased to have learned about Marc and his ideas and am finding that I am able more and more to incorporate them into my thinking every day. You seem to have made a leap further than he. I want to try to get my inner self to be able to accept what my mind already does. NOT an easy thing to do.

You say that the law does not apply to you and yet you don't drive, or maybe it's just that you don't own a motor vehicle. So on some level you are accepting that there are limits. Your choice of limits is different than mine and different than Marc's. We seem to all accept that there are limits. The boundaries are where I'm finding myself confused.

So... that's where I am today.

Thanks again.

NonEnity,
You're welcome! The PVA is the property tax office.
While in all reality the concept of 'owning' property is absurd, I lay claim to the 20 acres here in Monroe County, Kentucky. Actually the Earth owns us, we are but sojourners here.
Of course 'they' will do as they please, however if one gives them 'reason' not to I've found that they back down.
I don't 'own' a motor vehicle, I use my recumbent trike for my transportation. I'll be riding it 470 miles one-way to Branson, Missouri later this year for the Backwoodshome get-together. Since 1993 though I have exercised my claimed right of locomotion (my claimed right to travel) whether it be on foot, bike, trike or motor vehicle. I traveled 10's of 10,000's of miles in Michigan and Indiana back in 1993-8 in an unlicensed, unregistered motor vehicle. I was only arrrested once, in September of 1994 in Hillsdale, Michigan. I've posted the court transcript regarding that 'trial'. As I've posted I don't ask permission from 'government' to do that which I claim a right to do. I don't allow 'government' to set limits on my freedom period.
Have you read the essay Freedom on a Leash that I posted on another thread? Excellent essay, so very true!
May you truely find and live the freedom that you seek. You hold your freedom in your own two hands, first you must think free and then actually live that freedom each and every day.

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