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Post by d daxx on Jan 26, 2005 21:32:08 GMT -5
Another website had an article with the subject title and the article discussed different aspects of military personnel. My question is, "Why do the masses of military personnel on both sides continue to obey commands from superiors regarding the killing of other human beings? Why don't the grunts refuse to kill each other. Both sides are composed of persons that have families and friends. Boths sides have persons that want to live normal lives and attempt to prosper. As the great (?) street philosopher once stated, "Why can't we all just get along?"
If the leaders want a war, let them fight it!
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 26, 2005 22:40:29 GMT -5
"Why can't we all just get along?" Because we can't. No 2 people can agree on every issue, much less a few hundred million. |
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Post by KaosTheory on Jan 27, 2005 2:34:16 GMT -5
Not to mention, the solders got those big guns and lots of ammo. You see someone coming your way with a weapon, you are no doubt gonna start shootin.
There are a lot of reasons why we all just can't get along.
"War solves all problems, No man? No Problem."
Joseph Stalin
Stalin was not his last name. He picked that name for himself. It translates to something like "Man of Steel".
KT
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 27, 2005 8:40:17 GMT -5
My question to this thread is, would you defend your wife(spouce), family, country from someone who is trying to kill them? If not, why?
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Post by lazerwood on Jan 27, 2005 19:08:38 GMT -5
>>"would you defend your wife(spouce), family, country from someone who is trying to kill them?"<<
I personally have thought this issue through and have come to this conclusion:
I will never pick up a weapon or attack anyone that isn't directly intending immediate harm to myself or loved ones. I intend to maintain this position, even if it costs my own life ...(i.e. "shoot them or I'll kill you). Yes, I do realize this is "easy" to say from this position in my easychair.
I think if collectively we would take this position, war would be darn near impossible. Wars occur because people participate in the illusion of ...
(1) I'm fighting for my country.
(2) It's for "Freedom".
(3) "They attacked us first".
(4) "They" are not like us ...
etc ...etc...
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 27, 2005 21:47:27 GMT -5
Ahh, but they did attack our friends and families. Would we like to take them on ourselves, or let the brave men and women who volunteer, do it for us? Remember, they VOLUTEERED! Some reasons are bigger then ourselves, and for a greater good than our own.
I like Mel Gibsons The Patriot.
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Post by marc stevens on Jan 28, 2005 9:07:13 GMT -5
Yes, they volunteered. But, the customers didn't voluntarily pay for the service. The service is not the problem, it's the manner in which it is provided.
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 28, 2005 9:36:59 GMT -5
Yes, they volunteered. But, the customers didn't voluntarily pay for the service. The service is not the problem, it's the manner in which it is provided. Did we really force our help on the Iraqi people? Didn't the Kuwaity and Iraqi people request our help in removing Sadom? Would there be a difference, if I hired someone to forecibly remove a beuroughcrat, or anyone else, from my property? Passifism may show someone elses murderess intent, but it has never stopped genocide. It only stops when good people get ritiously angry, come to their aid, and put a stop to it. The halocaust was all about what happens to people that are passivaly non-compliant. |
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Post by learnin2 on Jan 28, 2005 9:49:42 GMT -5
In 3 days, the Iraqi Women will finally have their say in whether or not they remain the sole property of someone else. Imagine, women having a say regarding what is done to them. Ahh, now i understand why the insurjents don't want any voting in Iraq! We're taking away their mens property rights. We should abolish voting here too!
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Post by Darren Dirt on Jan 28, 2005 12:37:49 GMT -5
Did we really force our help on the Iraqi people? I think Marc was referring to those fighting in the militarily, voluntarily, in order to help the Iraqis etc. "it's the manner in which it is provided" i.e. their actions are funded without the "consent of the governed", so-called. i.e. "citizens". So-called. |
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Post by marc stevens on Jan 28, 2005 16:55:32 GMT -5
Thanks Dirt. I also want to make clear that I am NOT a pacifist. I believe the initiation of physical force is wrong. Self-defense is always justified. We need to look at who is initiating the use of physical force/violence; that's where the problem is. The foundation is: No service or product should be provided at the the barrel of a gun. Was the invasion of Iraq by United States military forces justified? To answer this question I will post two more. Who initiated the use of physical force? The United States military. The United States military is a service. Is this service provided to their customers (pretended "United States citizens") on a voluntary or violent basis? We all know it is violent.  Knowing these two undeniable facts, it is clear the invasion of Iraq was not justified . |
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 28, 2005 18:36:20 GMT -5
In 3 days, the Iraqi Women will finally have their say in whether or not they remain the sole property of someone else. Imagine, women having a say regarding what is done to them. Ahh, now i understand why the insurjents don't want any voting in Iraq! We're taking away their mens property rights. We should abolish voting here too! Dontcha just love "DEMOCRACY" ? Rejoice ! You get to choose WHO you want to be violated by. J M |
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Post by Neo on Jan 31, 2005 5:28:20 GMT -5
Everyone who believes in this or that "war" should be willing to pick up a machine gun and take the next flight out. If they all did this, it would end awfully soon because the true aggressors would kill one another.
"Yours is not the reason why, yours is but to do and die.”<br>
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Post by weis on Jan 31, 2005 7:40:39 GMT -5
A "Christapublican" friend of mine was amazed at why the "elections" have been delayed & not implemented. I am so sick of respondind to those statements, that George Bush is a Skull & Bones member & that he practices Black Majic at the Bohemian Grove, etc. . .
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