Sweden "Aventures" ala`net

[eye2i2hear]

from forum poster "lordmetroid" from Sweden, on Freedomainradio.com:

"Ohh, I am sorry to say this... But... My studies of this subject begun about 8 month ago in november with the discovery of Michael Badnarik's Constitutional Class on archive.org after having been active on a lead position within a political party in Sweden from around may till september when the election took place. Before the discovery of the video's of Michael Badnarik's Constitutional Class I would shamefully have to say that I was just another pathetical unknowngly practicing marxists calling himself a liberal (As in European meaning where the word still means freedom) because I strangelly loathed socialism as I had kind of seen the stupidity of collectivism but didn't realize that the plans of the right-wing politics are no less socialism than the socialist just another form of socialism.

Because I am a very curious individual and have very easy to learn, I started to study American history by the means of internet as a result of watching the constitutional class and the curiocity of the fascinating idea that all men are created equal (These ideas are very hard to come by in a society that don't want to reveal them to you). Most importantly I got to understand the ideas that was presenet with the enlightenement period of the American revolution and the founding fathers held high.

I found out by various random sources such as digg.com and various other sites, resources such as the Free State Project, The Ludwig von Mises Institute, LewRockwell.com and through such I learned Austrian economics, read books written by of Harry Browne, Murray Rothbard, etc. Read articles by Per Bylund, Ron Paul, etc. and found Free Talk Live. And then later begun studying superficially law and of course bumped into Robert Menard's videos/ThinkFree.ca, Marc Steven's videos/Aventures in Legal Land and your videocasts was discovered randomly through browsing around on YouTube.

Needless to say as I ripped apart my delusions of the state as a good entity and was just observing hard absolute facts I was quite distressed about civilization. Sunk unsuprisingly into a depressed state of mind with self-destruivenes, agressivenes towards my environement and lack of reason to live on. Reformation of ones personality wasn't a totally new experience as I had experience two previous such dramatic events in my lifetime and depression, well lets just say depression is inevetable in due to my genetical heritage. So I came out fine from the experience at around the days of march (I believe was the time).

I totally understood why communism/socialism on an instinctive level at that time but I was very bitter about the fact that no one could respect my sovereignty and in my gut I wished for anarcho-capitalism but at the same time people ain't going to accept that and they will agress towards me if the perception of higher authority wasn't prelevant. Your videos on YouTube added the last puzzle piece of my studies in this topic which is spread wide over many different subjects of knowledge. Before I didn't have any substantial logical reasoning except for the understanding of property rights. You provided the moral philosophy and reasoning around that. Your show provided the final touch to fnish the piece of art so to say.

Afterwards the whole ordeal and since march I have learned alot more and most importantly you have given me many good ideas of how to argue and perform a debate. I never was a very good argueing person, I just give up to fast and usually never followed any line of thaught but worded what I could think of on the spot"

**[regarding the "Aventures" (spelling), hard to tell if it is our Swede friend's AEnglish or a mere typo, but I found it a bit humorous regardless-- maybe it was my twisted "ear" in morphing it to "Avengures" and seeing ole Euro Steed & Emma (emphasis on eye a Peel)]

[Darren Dirt]

I added a choice excerpt to the "Superquotes" thread.

But I gotta say this, IMHO the following is the crux of the problem with not only "Random Guy", but also prolly 51%+ or more of The Stubborn Collectivists:

<Random guy> someone is going to use violence, who do you want it to be?
<Lord Metroid> But isn't the state just made of people like you and I? How can they get the right to use violence over someone that don't want to play with them?
Who is the other one?
<Random guy> the ppl give them the right to do it
<Lord Metroid> I never accepted that!
I don't matter?
<Random guy> well it could be everybody, it could be privat companies, privat interests, gangs, tribes, etc
you count as one
and you can talk to ppl to convert to your ways

In other words "There's always gonna be somebody who rapes, pillages, and murders -- might as well keep the 'election' system in place, since any unknown/untried replacement 'system' would prolly be worse!"

[eye2i2hear]

darrendirt said:

...-- might as well keep the 'election' system in place, since any unknown/untried replacement 'system' would prolly be worse!"

Except instead of "prolly" (probably) it seems most I deal with hold it as "obviously"!

This "some" evil must be done because there is "worse" evil to contend with/"lesser of two evils" is a big one with most folks I contend with. Anyone finding a rebuttal that sinks in with one holding to that reasoning?

[lummox2]

If they are bigger than me I demand their stuff as soon as they come out with that shit. If they are smaller I ask them why they haven't stolen mine yet.

Think about it.......

[NonEntity]

lummox2 said:

If they are bigger than me I demand their stuff as soon as they come out with that shit. If they are smaller I ask them why they haven't stolen mine yet.

Think about it.......

Dude, could/would you be so kind as to expand upon this? I'm not connecting.

Who is "they?"
What is "their stuff?"
What is "that shit?"
and finally, what is referred to by "mine?"

Thanks,

- NonEngaged

[lummox2]

This "some" evil must be done because there is "worse" evil to contend with/"lesser of two evils" is a big one with most folks I contend with. Anyone finding a rebuttal that sinks in with one holding to that reasoning?

The above is what I do with those wonderful people who hold the "someone is going to be evil" position.