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Post by NonEntity on May 13, 2007 12:22:06 GMT -5
*The stupid horrible idiotic moronic frustratingly bad "search" feature on Proboards came up with nada... Couldn't find enough superlatives, huh Darren? ;D - NonE |
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Post by eye2i2hear on May 13, 2007 19:35:23 GMT -5
*The stupid horrible idiotic moronic frustratingly bad "search" feature on Proboards came up with nada...
- NonEActually, he owes me a credit on that one...  |
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Post by dentistsugardust on May 14, 2007 13:13:21 GMT -5
That's not quite what I imply when I say "faith in people alone". If we are in a presence of freedom and a crazed man let's loose and harms, we had faith in people alone. can we afford to assume that it'll all line up perfect each day? No. I say, well intended guidelines. How healthy is it to not have guidelines? I understand the "Do we only do good because we are afraid what god would do to us"?. Are we obedient only because of the perceived consequences? Could a man of freedom scheme and kill another so that he may obtain the victims property. Because he was jealous and he desired this for his own. He saw no other option. Now I'm insinuating because we don't know what society would be like without the stress inducings of government. total freedom should be a totally diffent energy. a crazed man could just be mentally ill. (birth defect, etc.) but we'd know that if such was the case, a mentally ill man would be under a special attention monitoring and this is something we don't learn after his rampage. But I guess it could happen. Even with guidelines posted everywhere (the psychological game), what good were they especially if a bad thing is done right beneath a well posted "laws to Obey" sign? The sign is rendered and appears ridiculous. I guess I jump all over the place with this. Hell, society would be a totally different place without unwarranted restriction. I mean, we have natural drive to advance, so there goes the centrifugal force for compelled learning. would freedom makes us all "Keener"? A brighter mind would recognize subliminalty for what it was and brush it off as peskiness.
Now this is the type of thing that happens to pop in my head whenever or wherever the discussion might be: What's really up with Competition.
Is any competition good for a free society? is there a such thing as positive competition? Can competition be maintained. what does the advent of competition do to a mind. Is competition a form of humane corruption. Is thwarting competition possible? Is competition instilled, the root of all evil? A friendly game of baseball??? we like to think that we have it (competition) on a leash.
just thinking... out loud.
on one idea and suddenly another rushes in and they immediatly both subdue and you try and try to maintain separation and channeling the thoughts.....BEEP! "can I see you in my office?
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Post by NonEntity on May 14, 2007 13:26:41 GMT -5
Dentist. An assignment:
Write an entire post without once referring to "we."
- NonE
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Post by dentistsugardust on May 14, 2007 14:02:13 GMT -5
now i could selfishly exist and be in the frame of mind that nothing else matters, If I shoot a girl because i don't like the color of her wig and the DRO's have dealt with me in such a manner where i'm left with no choice but not give a "F" anymore, but I maintain a physical freedom ( I may be wherever, anyplace I wanna be). this self applied stress is my undoing and I may take it out on who ever happens to be in my immediate vicinity. How does the society that would make up a "we" apply themselves to this emergency? If the answer is to come gunning for me, and you have unskilled shooters where innocent bystanders become victims, result of the persuing few, if everything continues along without addressing how do "We" avoid this the next time, then something's wrong. That's what I wanna know. Is this our perogative of/to resolve? the thin line between freedom and mayhem. how are we to sleep nights knowing that there is a preditor and no one is confident that there is this bad person looking for it? How do you indentify the cooperation of the search party made up "we". what is the cooperation made up of? collective concern? I thought we all learned that "me" was a bad thing, but maybe this was a public school brainwashing. Sometimes we work as an "I" and sometimes It's as "we".
depending on the task size.
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Post by eye2i2hear on May 14, 2007 14:03:07 GMT -5
Dentist. An assignment:
Write an entire post without once referring to "we."
Noting, in considering your assignment, Mr. Phelps, that tiz a habit "we" all seem to have picked up-- resulting perhaps from it being after all, " We The People" / "United We stand, divided We fall[" for generations now...? Should you or any of your team be caught or killed, the NonSecretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This message will self destruct in sixty seconds... ;D fwiw, I contend this is a valid and valuable assignment regarding disciplining our selves-- oops! Backspace that and make it discipling one's self?! Where seriously, it is a good prompter to checking one's thinking. I have been purposing to replace using the word "we". A good replacement, focusing on the importance of the individual versus the subjective plural, is the word "one" instead of "we". For example: Instead of "we must do thus and such" it would be "one should do thus and such". And in cases where "we" might be closest, one can always include clarifying words like "mostly" eg "we mostly" or "most of us" or "we each", etc. Again, I feel its a valid consideration; and disciplining our selves in our writing... oops!... discipling one's self in one's writing, is a great check on one's actual thinking! |
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 14, 2007 15:07:07 GMT -5
Others, any thoughts in response to my comments about faith in...? (I'll be honest, what dentist said is confusing to me, then again I just had a very filling lunch so perhaps now's not the best time to try making sense of a post by dentist ) oh, and btw...
That's not quite what I imply when I say "faith in people alone". If we are in a presence of freedom and a crazed man let's loose and harms, we had faith in people alone. can we afford to assume that it'll all line up perfect each day? No. I say, well intended guidelines. How healthy is it to not have guidelines? I understand the "Do we only do good because we are afraid what god would do to us"?. Are we obedient only because of the perceived consequences? Could a man of freedom scheme and kill another so that he may obtain the victims property. Because he was jealous and he desired this for his own. He saw no other option. Now I'm insinuating because we don't know what society would be like without the stress inducings of government. total freedom should be a totally diffent energy. a crazed man could just be mentally ill. (birth defect, etc.) but we'd know that if such was the case, a mentally ill man would be under a special attention monitoring and this is something we don't learn after his rampage. But I guess it could happen. Even with guidelines posted everywhere (the psychological game), what good were they especially if a bad thing is done right beneath a well posted "laws to Obey" sign? The sign is rendered and appears ridiculous.
Wow, I just realized, what you touched on above is almost exactly what "Prot" was replying to in this excellent quote from the film "K-PAX".  |
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Post by dentistsugardust on May 14, 2007 16:54:02 GMT -5
hey, I agree to an extent. there are categories for calling in the collective. Eye2, the reason i feel this way is because we haven't even addressed the stigma of racism. we might see it as taught but, are we sure? there are so many buttons pushed that influence all and any one of us where, although I see the comparison and equation of controlling government, It's as if it would be society suicide to not adopt some form of unity doctrine. but we'd be learning as we learn today. Is waking each day, the bread motivation, enough for some. it's ultimately interaction where "I" becomes we. I believe that most have their "I" down pat. "we" is the hard work that gets us in trouble when it's manipulated and divide and conquered, as it is today.
A group of campers can sustain themselves in the forest banded/recognized as "we". soon as one camper strays from the natural agreement, problems. if all the campers knew not to light a torch during the night cause it attracts bears, well you see the detriment one "I" person has caused. If the collective has a close call behind this, how are they to prevent another selfish endeavor? you can't prevent it, but how can knowledge alone contain and prevent drifting over from right to wrong. A doctrine to follow is used as a tool, having manipulation proof edict in place.
again, what if everyone is carrying guns? are we to let it be and assume that everyone can handle or learned to use these guns. should we be interested? I would be interested and I can speak for more than just you. we'd have to be fools not to be. I am interested in your life amongst mine. that's all folk.
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Post by NonEntity on May 14, 2007 17:47:13 GMT -5
sigh... <shakes head and walks away mumbling>
- NonE
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Post by dentistsugardust on May 15, 2007 0:24:10 GMT -5
 ? wow! did U actually fail to reach me? |
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Post by dentistsugardust on Aug 9, 2007 10:44:25 GMT -5
I'm just not interested in "mob rule" that is why I refer to "we".
when i do an action that i selfishly proclaim as my business, it may or may not affect the next man, but when it does??? i want to avoid this. that's why the thread is titled "Floor Plan". obviously there is a cruel joke playing in ones psychi if this particular is ignored.
you watch the wilderbeest in the wild having a drink and along comes a crocodile and every one of them flees in the wildest ill-uniformed bat-like manner. No one stays to help the unlucky one and no one adorns the ability to recognize that "they're more of us than the one of them". But that is me, the one that you say, should not refer "we". and if you don't know, than that is what should be taught. But that surely is imposing on ones freedom to be. And isn't what you counter, basically stating, you desire a position of "I don't care"?
nah! that can't be true. I refuse to believe that is to strive for. I'm done
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Post by marc stevens on Aug 13, 2007 19:02:30 GMT -5
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