Good AiLL exchange today

[kevin11]

I manage a really nice Steakhouse and to top it off the city in which this restauraunt resides is also the county seat.

All the city's officials, preachers, local rebels, and Joe/Jane citizens trickle in...and I get to pick their brains regarding our state of affairs; and at times throw out leading questions in hopes of deprogramming the programmed.

Today at lunch a couple of assistant DA's came in during the swing shift (swing shift = between 2-4pm). I have been throwing out very mild leading questions at them for the last couple months whenever they would come in.

This time around they came in about 2hours later than they usually do - so I asked why they were so late. Their work kept them busy; a 30 minute driver's license issue turned out to be a 3 hour issue. I dint ask for details but I decided today would be the day to go for all or nothing.

(Interesting insight - today I had my USC Title 26 books with me as a couple "employees" were interested in the IRS)

So I tell the assisitat DA's its interesting they brought up the driver's license issue as I had a few questions I'ld like to throw out at them (boy is that an understatement).

Anyway, I asked them:

Me: Can someone from the local Majestic Theatre come in here and begin telling me what I can or cant do?

Them: Of course not; no way!

Me: Can someone from the local Quick Check gas station come in here and begin telling me what I can or cant do?

Them: Of course not; no way!

Me: Can either of these inidividuals steal my car against my will?

Them: Of course not; no way - that's against the law!

Me: Well let me ask you this, let us say I'm driving along with a 90 mile head wind and the wind gust causes me to swirve. The local police officer pulls me over. Can he pull me over and tell me what to do?

Them: Well "we" (yes she used the word we) need to...,

(I finished the sentance for her)

Me: Need to know who I am?

Them: Yes

Me: Who is "we"..., Before you answer that question, let us say I'm arrested for swirving for whatever reason. Let us now go forward to the trial. I'm questioning the arresting officer and ask them why I was arrested and they said becuase I violated "Texas State Law #whatever", is my being in the State of Texas an element of the violation?

Them: one of them answered immediately "Yes" while the other looked up and begain thinking the question through. The one who answered yes began coercing the other to agree with her...and explain why.

Me: In other words can that arresting officer arrest me if I'm in the State of Oklahoma for violating State of Texas Law #whatever; they answered no and we were all in agreement that being arrested for the State Violation required me to be in the State where said violation occurred.

Me: So then I asked them what then was the "State".

It was a funny response as the both jerked their heads and blinked as if they were completely blindsided.

Them: One of them answere that the State was the governering body of blah blah blah.

I let her go on for about 4o seconds before I interrupted and asked her:

Me: Is that your arbitrary opinion or is that a fact of law?

Them: Hmm, that's a good question. I dont know?

Through another series of leading questions I finally got one of them to answer that said violation and the rite of the officer was due to me being a resident...,

Me: (as soon as she said resident I interrupted her) Resident of what?

Them: Resident of the City

Me: Yea but the driver's license is issued by the state, of which you already admitted to me you didnt know what the fact of lawful state is. Therefore, does the city have any authority to interfer or regulate a contract issued by the "State"

Them: again they both kind've jerked their heads and blinked (its funny when they do this - I believe this is similar to a computer telling me "That does not compute")

Them: One of them said to the other, Does the city have the right to regulate a state issued driver's license? I dont know said the other one.

Somehow we got on the issue of payment...(boy, talk about openine a can of worms).

Me: I asked them, if I was indicted for my charges against me in our theoretical violation of the State of Texas Law #whatever and told to "pay" the fine...how can I pay the fine if I have no lawful tender?

Them: What do ya mean?

Me: If the Constitution say that only Silver and Gold can discharge a debt - what is happens to the debt when I "pay" with a dollar bill?

Them: One of them pulled a dollar bill out of her purse and pointed to the "legal tender" statement on the bill.

Me: That says legal...it doesnt say lawful! When I read the Constitution I cant find anywhere where it authorizes anyone to alter the "discharging of debt" clause. So, I'll ask it again - what is happening to the debt if we are not paying for our products with gold and silver?

Them: I dont see how that matters

Me: The dollar bill was birthed as a promise to pay a certain amount of gold or silver (gold or silver notes); therefore - dollar bills got their value from gold and silver. Since we were taken off the gold and silver standard what value does the bill posess?

Them: I dont know?

Me: Furthermore: the bill you pulled out of your purse is not a bill, it is a FRN. The FRN is a debt instrument - it only promisses to pay.., it is not payment in and of itself.

Me: So if I'm told to pay my fine - what can I pay with If we are not paying with gold and silver?

Them: I dont know?

Me: We have become indentured servants to the state which is suppose to be illegal according to the constitution.

This is where I went to the office and grabbed my copy of Arron Ruso's CD and my USC Title 26 books. I gave them the CD and begin asking them hard questions on the IRS and showed them the IRS's defintions of State/United States.

We again dovetailed into the contract issue. I found out through my questioning of "contracting out of" the unknown implied contract to pay income taxes; that there were others in the county (patriots) that claimed themselves sovereign and these assistant DA's were currently fighting with them.

So I asked them again based on our discussion of "who or what" is the state, do we, you, or anyone else have the authority to make them pay taxes?

I jokingly requested to them that their class objective was to find out what the "state" is and get back to me.

They were both interested in my questions and agreed to find out what the state is and get back to me.

This whole series of exchanges took about an hour and a half. I like these ladies and one of them even confessed to me that she didnt like big brother governement and preferred the smallest government possible.

All in all I think it was a good exchange. Most of all I hope our conversation helps the "patriots" that were taking a stand.

Me: I also gave them my theory on the corporate govt. in that it is the smaller corporation's (county) job to hand its assets (residents) over to the larger coporations (cities) to which these larger coporations will hand their assests over to the giant corporations (states) to which they will give their assets over to the Feds to which the Federal corporations will eventually give their assets over to the Internationalists.

(I dindt go into the NWO as I believe they have enough info to digest for the moment)

Them: Yea, what's up with that and the all of a sudden requirement of a passport to go into Canada and back?

Me: Not just a passport but a micro chipped RFID passport!

This was a good exchange and I look forward to the next time I see them.

Kevin,

[NonEntity]

Good indeed! Very interesting. You certainly earned your Brownie points today. Thanks for sharing and I'm sure that many of us will want to hear further exploits of the Steakhouse Deprograming Institute saga.

- NonE

[kevin11]

Yea, I'm looking forward to their response - as they both always seem sincere when I talk to them.

They are not young intern types as they are established attourneys in the town and have been for a long time.

What gets me, is when I'm talking to people, the most ignorant of all people are the "Christians" and especially the Pastor's.

The only pastors that have any idea of what is going on are the pastors that have a prison ministry...all other pastors that come in to the store, I find, are in Alice in Wonder-5013c-land.

Kevin,

[dentistsugardust]

That was so good, I'm wondering if other patrons leaned over to listen in. I'm glad you found us here

[kevin11]

nonentity said:

Steakhouse Deprograming Institute.- NonE

SDI..., I like that. From now on when someone asked me where I work that will be my answer. Good one.

There's also a judge that I would like to talk to that comes in every now and then. I know is getting tired of all this "terrorists" nonsense and fear mongering because I have spoken to people who have over heard him say this.

The only problem is he always comes in with his judge friends - I want to get him alone and not bring up these issues in front of his judge-mates as I dont know their take on things.

Kevin,

[yeoman]

Very interesting Kevin. I hope the DAs took it all to heart and not to Big Brother.
Razor sharp discernment will be essential from now on in all your conversations
with them.

[marc stevens]

Good exchange until a certain point. I would stay away from patriot type issues, you'll lose credibility real fast..

The gold/silver argument is flawed. The "states" may not make anything but gold/silver "legal tender", that doesn't mean the fed's cannot. The legal tender laws are federal, not state laws.

Also, FRN's are not notes or promises, just pieces of fancy looking paper/linen. Oh , yeah, and with a real cool electronic strip in the middle.

[eye2i2hear]

kevin11 said:

What gets me, is when I'm talking to people, the most ignorant of all people are the "Christians" and especially the Pastor's.
The only pastors that have any idea of what is going on are the pastors that have a prison ministry...all other pastors that come in to the store, I find, are in Alice in Wonder-5013c-land.

I would first wish to "state for the record"... ;D... I do not feel I am antagonistic, in any combative or hostile sense, nor do I wish to be perceived as such, in any of my remarks addressed towards any specific revelatory religion. Ok? I can only ask that you keep in mind, that for way more years than I like to remember, I was "there" myself (been there, done that, got the t-shirt, sent the post-card, wore the t-shirt in hopes of witnessing, etc, etc). I take just as seriously now, though, how critical-- infernal damnation risk, if you will, here and now --I grasp the issue to be as I ever did while embracing "christianity". Fault me for "witnessing" as a No State-ist (especially then, a No State-of-Israel-ist) with equal zeal, I suppose.

Ok, to point here... what I've come to grasp regarding what does come across as being "blindness" among those that are "supposed" to have "The Light" (aka by your word choice: ignorance) is that its really inherent. If you will, its "the nature of the beast". Its simply human nature-- which then includes the temptations (and trappings) of superstition to be made "Holy".

What I see in this nature is that once you open the door to accepting fantasy as reality, you simultaneously and proportionately open the door to blindness to actuality-- blindness to the literal. Proportionately then being in the chasm of "fundamentalists" to "spiritualists". "Officially" such a State of mind can be "caught up in the Spirit" even. All in how you "see" it, you see-- that "eyes to see, ears to hear" stuff.

I mean just think about that! When faith-- that in actuality is "blind" faith-- blind in the sense that if you don't "see" it under the shelter of "Holy" per The Holy Book/Holy Spirit (guide) --then you're not "required" to see it. And even farther, to "see" it is "sin"?!

It is the very inherent nature of this black hole called "faith". Toss in making "sin" to be "lack faith" or "to doubt"ing (Thomas-- or doubting Peter, or James, or John, or Paul...or George or Ringo-- you know, those last two being among those that the "official" Council of Nicea "voted" weren't "official", 'er "inspired") and you take another step toward factual blindness.

The next stage of course is to seek out those that "see" like you do; and so to "assemble" as "The Body", claiming "The" Authority, etc. You also of course "denominate" [aka seeking to dominate, aka Nation-State; eg "A Christian Nation" etc].

[side bar: I remember the first time I realized that in said Bible=Word=Holy, in doing a "word" study I found that the english word "church" was rendered in many significant places for the greek word "ekklessia"-- which then by direct quote-reference-crossing, in the hebrew word was "Israel" ("The House of") aka "The People assembled"-- aka "The Nation"... aka"The General Assembly"?! and "The House" (of Israel) assembled...etc; how easily then, to take "The Chosen People" and having that "House" be The Elected Representatives?!]

This phenomena so apparent (?) in those accepting LegalLand [The State], is even more significant in those accepting HolyLand (per HolyWords/HolyWater/HoliDay/HolyBook/HolyPeople/THE Nation/etc). Where to me, it is equally significant-- as again having been "one"/been there/done that as well too--equally significant it is that one doesn't see "the obvious" when one is indoctrinated in State-think/belief. Why, such is out right unpatriotic! (or "blasphemous"?) So just which is "Sunday School" and which is "State School"?!?

Key then probably to why said "christians" seem even more ignorant-- perhaps we could use "oblivious", instead? --so oblivious to State-think is because of Kingdom-think, which is again, the sort of carte blanc status given as:

a) being from GOD-- after all, who (in their "right" mind) is gonna argue with THE BIG G od-Poo-Bah?! (accepted by what, again? yupp, "mere" faith). It is after all, "looking to the clouds of glory" or "stuck with their heads in the clouds"?! [we won't say "stuck with their heads up their arse..."]

then
b) the carte blanc given "the imagination" (called "the spirit"); made-- again by The BIG g-- Who calls such-- to be "faith"?

Honestly, I get more and more convinced every day that Statist thinkers (also known as Contro freaks, aka dictators/tyrants, being either individual or democraticly "assembled"="churched", hiring their word artists) originated all "Holy" writings. I can't prove it myself, but I'm encouraged by some (rare) individuals I've crossed cyber paths with who say historical records do indeed validate it as the case. I would offer for "modern" reference, "The Dark Ages" aka "The Holy Roman Catholic Church = Government" Age (see "King James" version "protest"ant days).

I can say the historical evidence I've seen shows they've gained ($$) the most from it. [one contemporary example: "Render unto Caesar, that ($tax) which is Caesar's"-- be it if "he" decides its 1%, 15%, or "fill in the income here" 1040%]

One key aspect of this all being how they both involve accepting fantasy opinion, always factually men stated (Stated claims), as "the law". Be that adventures in LegalCounselLand or caught up in the spirit of Wonderful, CounselorLand. Be that black robes, colored robes, clerical or business shirt collars... its our word is "Authoritive". Unquestionable (other than by lip service, of course).

[significant perhaps, that the very word "authority" has "author" as its main structure? "I" say what I author (write/scribe/scribble) is Holy = Authority-- as some here note it: The "author-i-tie" that "binds"-- mentally, then physically?]

--respectfully,
eye2i2here~

[eye2i2hear]

admin said:

The gold/silver argument is flawed. The "states" may not make anything but gold/silver "legal tender", that doesn't mean the fed's cannot. The legal tender laws are federal, not state laws.

According to "Them"-- both "word" and "deed"-- ANY argument is "flawed"...
[meaning argument, the word, and not the "term"; as hey, legal "argument" means paying an attorney (even if he's a judge), so you can do that...]

And we get to "Them" perhaps by asking what part of your signing "everywhere" (start with the ever convenient driver's license) that you are a "U.S. Citizen", thus self-proclaiming (not to be confused with "contracting") that you are "subject" to the "jurisdiction", don't you understand? (emphasis on the "under" stand ala "subject") [how close is "signing" to "hand signaling"?]

After all, isn't questioning "the debt" one of the (1st) particular "no-no's" regarding said "subjects"? [FRN=debt notes]

"Subjects" question The Master?! Much less argument about His "words"?... aka "diction"?!

[play mental mp3 of Humpty Dumpty remarks here X, Dear 'Juris' Prudence... the artist formerly known as Queen of Hearts]

google 14th Amendment + date... if you don't recall the date... then compare said date to "the end" of Lincoln's (The State of) WAR Powers Act(ion) [denomination domiNation] & the likes of Southern "emancipation"; you'll get closer to reality regarding The State of minds Unioned there, and since, regarding this "legislation" me thinks~

Like the one guy nailed it in Russo's film:
"The law is what the guy with the gun says it is."
translated:
"The "juris" is what "The 14th Amendment State" with the gun "dictions" it is.

Add to that "when" and "where" it is, along with "dictator" regarding "diction", too. There's The State (of minds) United.

Also, FRN's are not notes or promises, just pieces of fancy looking paper/linen. Oh , yeah, and with a real cool electronic strip in the middle.

Now why would you (lowly "subject") want to go and "argue" with them, silly (frivolous) things like facts? Why, can't you read?! [taking one out of pocket here]... The fact-of-the-matter-legal is, it says right there on it: "NOTE"! Plain as the nose on your face! What more proof do you need, subject? Isn't that fact enuff for you?! (I think this boy may need psychiatric evaluation, 'yore honor)... & make him write that 14th Amendment 100 times on the chalk board while he's waiting, like a good patriotic subject...'er, "citizen" of the eState.

Boy can't even read "NOTE" and know what it means, much less CODE.

--"where's that curtain" Toto (at least, the U.S. one here)

[sagas4]

nonentity said:

Good indeed! Very interesting. You certainly earned your Brownie points today. Thanks for sharing and I'm sure that many of us will want to hear further exploits of the Steakhouse Deprograming Institute saga.

- NonE

Saga ? Now how'd eye get drug into this?

SDI - finally a non-statist definition that replaces ye olde one started by Regan.

P.S. Go Kevin!! Looking forward to future updates in the Saga. he he.

[kevin11]

Well, the gals came in to SDI again.

When I approached them they did not look me in the eyes when I spoke to them. I also got the "feel" of uneasy energy.

Once they realized I wasnt going to bring the "What is a State" issue up - they began looking me in the eyes when they spoke.

The conversation was evasive and short -n- sweet. I am pretty sure (total assumption here) somebody must've told them to avoid such issues: I mean it was really noticeable - their energy is usually very friendly..., as I approached them they wouldn't even look me in the eyes until they realized I wasnt going to bring up the "what is a state" issue.

Oh well. The seeds of reality have been planted in their heads w/questions. Either they pursue reality or they dont - but atleast from here on out they can not claim immunity that they did not know what they were doing was innapropriate. Now - if carma does exist they are responsible for their actions from here on out.

I'll bring up the issue next week when they come in just to verify today was not a fluke.

Kevin,

[NonEntity]

It's "karma." Good report, Kevin. Thanks for the update. I respect your method of interaction with them. One cannot teach, one can only help others to learn. Their unease may reflect the fact that their worlds are being turned inside out, and this is not easy. They will have to take it at the speed that they can, and no faster. Avoiding your eyes is a very positive sign! Simply seeing you will keep their minds processing the new ideas, so it's not as though you didn't do your job today. :-)

At least, that's how it seems to me.

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

Any new additions to this saga?