resistance to truth?

[marc stevens]

Does anyone encounter resistance from people when you discuss the truth, such as there is no "state," it's just a public relations scheme?

If so, how do you get around/utilize it?

[KaosTheory]

Resistance to truth comes in a lot of forms and if you get right down to what "truth" is factually, (factually, what is truth?) it might shed some light on why we meet the resistance. Call it mental inertia or cognative dissonance or whatever. It depends on the person and how resonable they are. Most people are really running on emotions and not reason.

In my experience people, for the most part, are like programmed robots. I think the only thing you can really do is what you (Marc) are already doing......ask questions and jar their brains into thinking. Have you ever read Plato? The Parable of the Cave is an excellent illustration for what you are experiencing with this resistance thing.

Your job isn't just presenting the truth. It is actually getting them to accept it voluntarily as the truth. Now.....how do you do that? Why with a gun of course....heh heh jus kiddin.

Reason for resisting the truth:

1. It may be too alien to currently held beliefs.
2. It may conflict with one's currently held values.
3. It may damage one's current ability to make a living.
4. It may get someone else in trouble.
5. It may be beyond one's current ability to comprehend.
6. One may not be interested in the slightest.
7. One may take the postion that you are challenging their intelligence.
8. One may find the truth too shocking.
9. One may think you are simply wrong and that they are the one's who really know the truth.
10. One may be overly emotional and not allow reason to prevail.
11. One may be brainwashed and programmed like a robot.
12. One may unconsciously like to have something to complain about.
13. One may be getting the impression that you are trying to get them to act on this new information and may feel like it is better or easier not to know.
14. They may simply think that they are smarter than you and that what you have to say is of no consequence.
15. One may get the wrong impression imediately and tune you out for the rest of the conversation.
16. One may draw conclusions prematurly and think that you are "Wet behind the ears" when it comes to the Constitution. heh heh
17. One may feel that even if they knew the truth that they could do nothing to effect a change. "You can't fight City Hall"
18. One may be on "mental automatic" and avoid conscious thought altogether.

[tru2form]

I was out camping last week and met a fellow who told me aliitle story - "There was an old man sitting on a rocking chair, on the porch beside his dog. A friend came to visit and the pair sit there together. Then the dog starts howling then stops. Conversation continues and then the dog goes off again. After a third time the visitor asks the old man; Why does your dog howl like that? the old man replied "he is lying on a nail and can't be bothered to do anything about it".
After hearing this story, which had followed his tale of how this guy was paying a stack of taxes to start a business, and preceeded a comment as to how people are more interested in complaining instead of doing something about their pain, I thought that this guy was open to a bit of mental stimulation. I shocked him! He replied "Didn't you say you were taking your daughter to the shop? you'd better go now, it's getting late"

In general, I personally find that people are ever ready to complain, half ready to listen (that's when their screwball scanner switches on and points directly at you) and, well to find the actors... they are the gemstones that I really must look for carefully and are so hard to dig out of their strata when you do find them. The rewards on getting one out are fantastic! I've seen it happen!

In answer to your question Marc, I met a guy last sunday who actually tried to convince me that the ground was physically annexed by a border giving rise to the enclosure named "the state". "Where??!!" I replied incrediously, "I haven't driven over any dotted lines!!". He then shut his mouth, put his good opinion of me into the recycle bin and hit "empty".

Finding the good ones.. I think must be like doing MLM - right person, right place, right time, right attitude, right time of life etc... I try to help them see where there is a need for options in their life while they are complaining about the state of the world or even their pitious, dead end little lives of slavery. They often reply with questions like "so you believe in anarchy?" or "who's going to run the country?" or "with this stuff the streets will be full of criminals?" or my father (the man who spends his life dodging summonses) even told me "you'll wind up with a bullet in your head"

Sorry about the length of this post. I wrestle this dragon myself.
The golden rule is; Y'won't get anyone who is happy in their shell to budge in inch, no matter what.
tru

[BoyntonStu]

Resistance to truth, a prime example:

As stated in another thread, the Commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill" is a mistranslation of "Thou Shall Not Murder". Period, end of story, NOT!

For hundreds of years, all Christian scholars agree that it is an error.

Try getting them to correct this obvious, dangerous and uneducated flaw is like talking to the guys in black robes about traffic laws.


Let me genralize; all folks that wear robes, judges, ministers, priests, etc. have a mindset that refuses enlightenment. They believe that they are fully educated with nothing more to learn.

The difference with AILL is that the folks here are willing to learn (at least in the legal area). Why parenthesis?

It seems to me that some folks here who question the Legal Land authorities are still unable to question the authorities in Religious Land. Split personalities?

BoyntonStu

[kgod999]

good post Marc, i go thru that everyday. i believe there are several reasons most people on this planet are under a spell. you have the fact that people are programmed, whether it be by religion,politics. etc. then, you have people who are not only programmed, but they arent intellectually all together anyway, and it gets passed down thru the genes. ive spent my whole life being different and wondering why other people wouldnt see or overstand or wanna overstand what i see is wrong in the world. i read a article once, and the author was explaining that people who are not intellectually under the spell (the spell is my word), anyway, people who are not asleep at the wheel are considered crazy. people tell me im crazy all the time. after watching the movie "a beautiful mind", i take it as a compliment now. lastly, you have people who get a high level of education from college or something and you cannot tell them anything because they think that just because they have a degree in some discipline that they cannot be told the truth about anything.

[KaosTheory]

Marc, just out of curiosity, what is the definition you are using when you say "truth"? I always thought that Pilate asked Jesus an important question when he asked Him: "What is truth".

[marc stevens]

Great question, especially the reference to Pilate.

I mean things as they are. Something that is "true" is consistent and has no contradictions. I am not claiming that I see things how they are because very few people ever have IMHO. We see and hear with our brains, not our eyes and hears. Everything is filtered through our past experiences and learnings.

Pilate KNEW Jesus was an innocent man, but because of his conditioning, he let the crowd make his decision for him. This is common today where people do not want to go against the crowd.

[BoyntonStu]

Is there resitance to truth even on this thread?

I pose a question of obvious truth and yet the question is never answered.


Has anyone checked my assertion that "kill" is an error of translation?

You may ignore my question, but truth is truth, and facts are facts.

BoyntonStu

[KaosTheory]

marc said:

I mean things as they are. Something that is "true" is consistent and has no contradictions. I am not claiming that I see things how they are because very few people ever have IMHO. We see and hear with our brains, not our eyes and hears. Everything is filtered through our past experiences and learnings.

Yeah, thats what I was getting at. Everything is filtered through our own individual worldview. I am not saying that everything is relative. I believe that an objective reality exists but I am at the mercy of my senses and current ability to properly interpret external objective reality. All I really have is my own relative interpretation.

The funny thing about the brain is that it can't even tell the difference between dream and reality. Well, at least when it is dreaming.

I heard you make a good point on the "Frankly Speaking" show about how the evidence of the Kennedy assasination was made to fit the theory instead of the theory being made to fit the evidence. In a sense, people tend to believe what they want to believe. We all filter out the evidence that doesn't fit with what we already believe to be the truth.

[marc stevens]

Very true. That's why verifying what you think is true is important. When I do seminars, just about everything I discuss can be verified by everyone present. This is regardless of their prior conditioning.

I usually like to discuss things that are immediately verifiable. For example, what is government? A group of men and women. This can be verified by democrats, republicans and atheists.

[KaosTheory]

Yeah, that is a great approach. I don't see any way you can improve on it really.

[weishaupt1776]

I regurgitate most of the AILL concepts. I like to use the standing issue w/ some of my own analogies. I basically say that if no one has suffered a wrong, but can still sue you, then you could be sued for anything. I talk about the "duty to protect" & ask them if they have voluntarily contracted.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES in the book is in the preface, with words to the effect of

I see light bulbs go off when I share that w/people.
On the other side, being in an Ecclesiastical fellowship, I get intense opposition from people that ask "why do you spend your time doing this, etc . . ."

These people are nearly impossible to reach--Don't waste your breath. Just reply with something to shut the conversation down such as, "If you don't know your basic God -Given rights, then you don't really deserve them in the first place.[/list]

[Pontificus]

People only break out of their shell when they perceive a necessity to do so. And they only perceive that if they take chances. The average person today (at least in "America") believes that life is a paradise because he's got TV, a six-pack, a job, and an SUV (don't get me wrong, I have nothing against either beer or SUV's, but I think you see my point). He cannot think or reason more than one slogan deep. For example, he actually believes that if the "U.S." were not destroying Iraq that the entire "U.S." would be enslaved by Saddam Hussein ("the military's over there defending our freedom! if you don't like it, you can leave!). Group mentality numbs the mind and relieves individuals of thinking for themselves.

[KaosTheory]

Should we put a list together here of reasons for resistance?

[marc stevens]

Go for it.