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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 19, 2004 10:24:29 GMT -5
Either something is empty Or it is Full. It is impossible for something to be 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. If it is up to the 1/2 way mark, then that is exactly what it is & where it's at. It is what it is & is where it's at. 1/2 is 1/2. Empty is Empty. Full is full.
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Post by sagas4 on Nov 19, 2004 10:58:08 GMT -5
Why do we use either/or logic. That's something that has been the cause of many fights. I'm Wrong / Your Right. Plato and Aristotle type of viral thinking where everything fits into a neat little box.  If the container is at its half way point using both/and logic it is Both Half Full and Half Empty at the same time is it not? If it is at its 3/4 mark then it is Both 3/4 Full and 1/4 Empty at the same time is it not? Maybe a more appropriate way of stating the fact is, that the container contains 3/4 of some other substance; but then again that is either/or and we ignored the fact that 1/4 of the volume of the container is filled with air so all containers could be full of something all the time unless it exists in a vaccume. Science is proving that may things we believe can fit into these nice little boxes just don't fit old ways of thinking (Plato, Aristotle, Euclid). Take Light for example, is it a wave or is it a particle with mass? Well it exhibits the properties of both not either/or; therefore it is both a particle and a waveform. But Hey, using the both and logic I'm just Full of it. ;D And those are just the Facts! |
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 19, 2004 11:06:46 GMT -5
Is it WRONG to use "either/or" logic?
Can something be a fact & a non-fact at the same time?
ONLY IN LEGAL LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sagas4 on Nov 19, 2004 11:24:27 GMT -5
Weis,
You are correct, and that is my point.
e.g.
Fact we have a container.
Fact the container contains Liquid
Fact we observe the liquid at the 1/2 mark of the container.
Opinion it is 1/2 full
Opinion it is 1/2 empty
Fact it is both 1/2 full of liquid and 1/2 empty of liquid.
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Post by marc stevens on Nov 19, 2004 18:03:30 GMT -5
It's a problem when mixing the objective with the subjective.
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Post by sagas4 on Nov 19, 2004 20:55:47 GMT -5
And the abstract, which is what most language is.
I say I am sitting in a chair right now. That can trigger an image in your mind but it is still abstract unless further defined which requires more words. I may mean a light blue lazyboy recliner, or it could be a wooden chair, or a wooden chair with armrests and a cushion, made of oak.
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How can we proove it
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Post by How can we proove it on Nov 19, 2004 20:59:56 GMT -5
When I was interviewed for a job, many, many years ago, my interviewer gave me a test.
Here is a misshapen bottle, some liquid in it, and sealed.
Proove to me that the bottle is half-liquid half-empty.
I passed the test and I took the job.
What was my answer?
BoyntonStu
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Post by KaosTheory on Nov 20, 2004 7:30:42 GMT -5
What was your answer?
Hehe heh...how should we know, we weren't there. ;D
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Post by No answer no job on Nov 20, 2004 14:26:14 GMT -5
Come on AILLers, put your thinking cap on.
The bottle is in your hands.
BoyntonStu
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Nov 20, 2004 14:34:53 GMT -5
If the lid was off, it would be more than half empty
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Post by jerrypitts on Nov 29, 2004 12:25:29 GMT -5
Without further qualifying the conditions relative to the closed container, one could assume that the container was not affected by a vacuum, therefore, the container even though having a sealed lid upon it, would still be full, 100%. A portion of the container, presumably 1/2, would be comprised of a liquid matter, while the remaining portion was filled with air, chemical vapor, or other non-visible substance that may have entered the container during the filliing process. One could also conclude (given the container is transparent), that at any given moment, neutrinos or other non-visible particles/waves/physical elements could be passing through the container, ever changing the actual quantity of content of the container.
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Post by sagas4 on Nov 29, 2004 12:33:46 GMT -5
Exactly. See previous posts. 1/2 full 1/2 empty. That was stated earlier, assuming there was no vacuum the container could be 1/2 liquid 1/2 vapor such as O2 & CO2 etc. or 3/4 vapor and 1/4 liquid in which case it is 100% full of something like I am most of the time. ;D
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Post by Harry on Dec 23, 2004 18:56:08 GMT -5
Is Sagas4's Reply No. 1 applicable to the question of fact vs. opinion?
Is subjective vs. objective either/or logic?
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Post by Creole Man on Dec 24, 2004 21:49:42 GMT -5
Maybe your response was, "No, you have the burden of proof. You prove to me that it's half-full, half-empty!"
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Post by Darren Dirt on Dec 28, 2004 5:26:42 GMT -5
Either something is empty Or it is Full. It is impossible for something to be 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. If it is up to the 1/2 way mark, then that is exactly what it is & where it's at. It is what it is & is where it's at. 1/2 is 1/2. Empty is Empty. Full is full. A is A. A thing is a thing, and not something else. So you do indeed make a good point, since Empty is different than Full, and both of them are different than the halfway mark. But to complain to a waitress and say "This cup is only half of water" might result in her mocking, "Is it the H or the 2O that is missing?"  PS: What brought this on, i.e. related to AiLL? |
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