Super Quotes DISCUSSION thread?

[Darren Dirt]

darrendirt said:

"If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And it's -- our nation stands alone right now in the world in terms of power, and that's why we have to be humble. And yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom."

-The Flip-Flopper (a.k.a. Dubya), 11Oct2000, channelling the doublespeak spirit of The Well-Rewarded Foreign Policy Advisors Collectively Known As The Vulcans

All part of a promise-one-course-enact-the-opposite double-speak fearmongering plan...

see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine#Roots_of_the_Bush_Doctrine , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine#Pre-emptive_Intervention , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijacking_Catastrophe etc.

[eye2i2hear]

darrendirt said:

"If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And it's -- our nation stands alone right now in the world in terms of power, and that's why we have to be humble. And yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom."

-The Flip-Flopper (a.k.a. Dubya)

couple of catches here... first, the "If": "IF we're a nation"-- period!! There is no State/Nation-- only The Enforcement.

So then, just what is this "freedom"? How is it defined? How may it be defined? (Actions speak louder than newspeak?) 2007 = 1984?

If I might pass along an interesting "test" in the field here: ask those you come in contact with (via email as well, but where you have to clarify that you don't want them to look it up) to define "freedom". Interesting too, to preface the question with notations, like "the land of the free" and "Operation Enduring Freedom" etc.

Amazing to get the "deer in the headlight" looks and scratching of the head, etc! And of course, I speak as one asking those in "the land of the free" and most with at least 12 years of high school education! Much less the many supporting "Operation Enduring Freedom"* in Iraq, etc. "Liberty" of course is the name of a convenience store chain, etc *["enduring" the present U.S. version of "freedom" tests one's endurance, that's for sure!]

I said "amazing"; I should say sad. And scary. And humbling (as I first asked myself if I could define it-- and couldn't;
and so also thanks-- to Marc for his definition as "100% control of your life") [see the private property thread regarding my not quoting the rest! ] Freedom is self-government/self-control! I guess that's why so few could actually define it? For most here, U.S. policy = freedom.

[eye2i2hear]

darrendirt said:

Horace Mann had sold forced schooling to industrialists of the mid-nineteenth century as the best "police" to create moral children, but ironically, as it turned out in the twentieth century, big business and big government were best served by making schoolrooms antechambers to Hell.

As the twentieth century progressed, and particularly after WWII, schools evolved into behavioral training centers, laboratories of experimentation in the interests of corporations and the government. The original model for this development had been Prussian Germany, but few remembered. The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.

Since bored people are the best consumers, school had to be a boring place, and since childish people are the easiest customers to convince, the manufacture of childishness, extended into adulthood, had to be the first priority of factory schools. In the new system, schools were gradually re-formed to meet the pressing need of big businesses to have standardized customers and employees, standardized because such people are predictable in certain crucial ways by mathematical formulae.

- from JTG's History Tour

This is very profound. I'd not thought of the "bored" parallel.

It is essentially the same understanding of most revelation religions as well. eg "Raise up a child in The Way he should go, and he will never depart from it" etc. (where it should say "he will never be able to stop from regurgitating it back up!")

And "they" (some/the majority) wish to have The Xristian Bible taught in public schools to boot! Add to the fear, add to the boredom.

[Darren Dirt]

Actually, if a "Biblical Criticism" class was offered as an optional high school class, I can imagine those who would *choose* to sit in would be on the polar extremes, and thus the class would be anything but boring.

[Darren Dirt]

tru2form said:

"Those who make peaceful change impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy

speaking of JFK... check out this story in Rolling Stone. Yes, I said Rolling Stone, not "Above Top Secret", not "Propaganda Matrix", not even "NewsMax". It's in the MSM.

The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt
A famous spook, near death, reveals the truth... and names names. LBJ, for one.

E. Howard scribbled the initials "LBJ," standing for Kennedy's ambitious vice president, Lyndon Johnson. Under "LBJ," connected by a line, he wrote the name Cord Meyer. Meyer was a CIA agent whose wife had an affair with JFK; later she was murdered, a case that's never been solved. Next his father connected to Meyer's name the name Bill Harvey, another CIA agent; also connected to Meyer's name was the name David Morales, yet another CIA man and a well-known, particularly vicious black-op specialist. And then his father connected to Morales' name, with a line, the framed words "French Gunman Grassy Knoll."

So there it was, according to E. Howard Hunt. LBJ had Kennedy killed. It had long been speculated upon. But now E. Howard was saying that's the way it was. And that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't the only shooter in Dallas. There was also, on the grassy knoll, a French gunman, presumably the Corsican Mafia assassin Lucien Sarti, who has figured prominently in other assassination theories.

"By the time he handed me the paper, I was in a state of shock," Saint says. "His whole life, to me and everybody else, he'd always professed to not know anything about any of it. But I knew this had to be the truth. If my dad was going to make anything up, he would have made something up about the Mafia, or Castro, or Khrushchev. He didn't like Johnson. But you don't falsely implicate your own country, for Christ's sake. My father is old-school, a dyed-in-the-wool patriot, and that's the last thing he would do."

Later that week, E. Howard also gave Saint two sheets of paper that contained a fuller narrative. It starts out with LBJ again, connecting him to Cord Meyer, then goes on: "Cord Meyer discusses a plot with [David Atlee] Phillips who brings in Wm. Harvey and Antonio Veciana. He meets with Oswald in Mexico City. . . . Then Veciana meets w/ Frank Sturgis in Miami and enlists David Morales in anticipation of killing JFK there. But LBJ changes itinerary to Dallas, citing personal reasons."

...After reading what his father had written, St. John was stunned too. His father had not only implicated LBJ, he'd also, with a few swift marks of a pen, put the lie to almost everything he'd sworn to, under oath, about his knowledge of the assassination. Saint had a million more questions. But his father was exhausted and needed to sleep, and then Saint had to leave town without finishing their talk, though a few weeks later he did receive in the mail a tape recording from his dad. E. Howard's voice on the cassette is weak and grasping, and he sometimes wanders down unrelated pathways. But he essentially remakes the same points he made in his handwritten narrative.

Shortly thereafter, Laura found out what had been going on, and with the help of E. Howard's attorney put an end to it. St. John and his father were kept apart. When they did see each other, they were never left alone. And they never got a chance to finish what they'd started. Instead, the old man set about writing his autobiography and turned his back on his son. He wrote him a letter in which he said that Saint's life had been nothing but "meaningless, self-serving instant gratification," that he had never amounted to anything and never would. He asked for his JFK memos back, and Saint returned them, though not before making copies.

[Darren Dirt]

eye2i2hear said:

My Antagonists have already done as much as I could desire. Parties in Religion and Politics make sufficient discoveries concerning each other, to give a sober man a proper caution against them all. The Monarchic, Aristocratical, and Popular Partizans have been jointly laying their axes to the root of all Government, and have in their turns proved each other absurd and inconvenient. In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!

—Edmund Burke (1757): A Vindication of Natural Society
[via post by Rad Geek, on Niels' The FreedomChannel blogspot, on Ayn Rand video ]

One of the other commenters mention Roy Childs' open letter to A.R. (which he never actually finished writing before he died). An interesting bit of verbiage, I read it in the collection of his writings, but from the "no state" perspective it's hard to agree with all of what he, or Rand, had to say about "the way things oughtta be" :-\

[NonEntity]

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Rudi almost got it right.

- NonE (and Bobby McGee)

[Darren Dirt]

admin said:

adventuresinlegalland.com/face.wav

;D ;D ;D

"Put the glasses on!"

youtube.com/watch?v=wqKFadyJxwg

Not only is that a fantastic (mostly improvised!) fight scene in a timeless "invasion of the controllers" movie, but it gets people thinking "wow that movie looks/sounds cool, gotta rent/download it!" and voila, instant Red Pill ^_^

comment from "unidoubt" sez it all...
BTW the movie is true, we fight among ourselves denying
the truth cuz we don't want to wear those glasses (They Live), or take the red pill (Matrix)
watch david icke, michael tsarion on google video to know the truth



also Briareos57
Obey, Sleep, Consume, Work 8 hours, Play 8 hours, Sleep 8 hours, Honor apathy, Buy, Conform, Stay asleep, Do not question authority, Submit, Mary and reproduce, No independent thought, Watch T.V., Money is your god


( too bad this amazing fight scene isn't within the context of a "wake the hell up, sheeple!" film... )

[NonEntity]

I like "Honor Apathy." I also like Mary, but she doesn't like me, so...

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

admin said:

The link doesn't work, use this adventuresinlegalland.com/alive.mp3

Dang, how disappointing.

For some crazy reason I was thinking/hoping the audio clip you guys were sharing was this classic movie dialogue...

[eye2i2hear]

darrendirt said:

- - -
*2i2, go ahead and delete your "reminder"*

**** update ****

"Soitnly!"

[NonEntity]

Reminder? Whut reminder?

- Moe

[Darren Dirt]

nonentity said:

Reminder? Whut reminder?

- Moe

You have no frame of reference here, Nonny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... Forget it, Nonny, you're out of your element!

[Darren Dirt]

danny said:

'' 'Necessity' is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.'' -----William Pitt

plea (noun)
www.thefreedictionary.com/plea
-An earnest request; an appeal.
-The answer of the accused.
-An excuse; a pretext.

[Darren Dirt]

eye2i2hear said:

---PracticalAnarchy.org

Be careful about the "source" of that image, tho -- very anti-capitalist and pro-"gimme whatever i want just cuz i demand it"... (e.g. "squatting" info, I mean c'mon...)

"the act of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied space or building that the squatter does not own..."


(at its core, squatting is really just a different "degree" of eminent domain -- see "Squatter's Rights" -- "the process by which title to another's real property is acquired without compensation" )