Blade
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"Think for yourself. Question authority."
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Post by Blade on Apr 10, 2006 19:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 11, 2006 9:54:12 GMT -5
D'oh! *slaps forehead* Of course, it was Le Bon Poet, Rummy... Who, as you pointed out, also had his fingers in the "Tamiflu" cookie jar  Must be the diet cola I drink every hour that caused my malfunction to brain  |
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Post by sagas4 on Apr 11, 2006 13:50:22 GMT -5
I haven't really had a taste for cola since they got rid of the good stuff . . . Glass Bottles and Cane Sugar Syrup. That High Fructose Corn Syrup just isn't the same and aspartame gives me the shakes so I can't ingest that either. Oh well, Back to my Chlorinated, Fluoridated, Water with Lemon. |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 25, 2006 13:34:22 GMT -5
I was just reading the Wikipedia entry for " Chemotherapy", under the section "History": "The era of chemotherapy began in the 1940s with the first uses of nitrogen mustards [ yes, closely related to * Mustard Gas* -- see history (separate article) ] and folic acid inhibitors. Cancer drug development since then has exploded into a multi-billion dollar industry." I thought this was incredibly (although presumably unintentionally) revealing.  It starts out with the Dept of Defense saying "hey, can our Blister Agents do poor suffering humanity some good?" and now it's billions of dollars into the pockets of drug companies and charities (which seem to rely on each other to continuing existing, IMHO  ). Also, under the section "Immunosuppression and myelosuppression": Virtually all chemotherapeutic regimens can cause depression of the immune system, often by paralysing the bone marrow and leading to a decrease of white blood cells, red blood cells and platelets. Golly, gee, Doc, count me in!  -and along similar lines, "Radiation Therapy": " Radiation therapy works by damaging the DNA of cells. ... by a photon, electron or proton beam directly or indirectly ionizing the atoms which make up DNA chain ... Because cancer cells generally are undifferentiated and stem cell-like, they reproduce more, and have a diminished ability to repair sub-lethal damage compared to most healthy differentiated cells. The DNA damage is inherited through cell division, accumulating damage to the cancer cells, causing them to die or reproduce more slowly. ... One of the major limitations of radiotherapy is that the cells of solid tumours become deficient in oxygen. This is because solid tumours usually outgrow their blood supply, causing a low-oxygen state known as hypoxia. The more hypoxic the tumours are the more resistant they are to the effects of radiation because oxygen "fixes" or makes permanent the radiation damage to DNA. " ^ That last paragraph reminds me of something one of us AiLLers had said about cancer... about being starved of oxygen. If oxygen starvation ("hypoxia") is the root cause of cancer (so the theory went) then it doesn't seem logical to me to zap those already-injured cells with inherently-damaging radiation. But maybe that's just me. - - - ...thankfully, the chemotherapy entry also links to a separate article on "Experimental Cancer Treatments"  :-\ |
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Post by dvishnu on Apr 25, 2006 13:55:25 GMT -5
It was a wartime chemical weapon used in order to kill people...Now it's used to kill people in hospitals....Most subjects are willing to bleed their entire savings for the privilege of suffering and dying horribly...Others, notably children, are forcibly removed from their parents by organized crime the authorities so that they may be given this horrible poison.... Mengeles would be proud...  AND They've got a ton of nerve calling it "therapy".... |
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Post by Darren Dirt on Apr 25, 2006 14:05:36 GMT -5
It was a wartime chemical weapon used in order to kill people...Now it's used to kill people in hospitals....Most subjects are willing to bleed their entire savings for the privilege of suffering and dying horribly...Others, notably children, are forcibly removed from their parents by organized crime the authorities so that they may be given this horrible poison.... Mengeles would be proud... AND They've got a ton of nerve calling it "therapy".... Yeah. Right. Therapy, my assets. I thought this was incredibly (although presumably unintentionally) revealing. It starts out with the Dept of Defense saying "hey, can our Blister Agents do poor suffering humanity some good?" and now it's billions of dollars into the pockets of drug companies and charities (which seem to rely on each other to continuing existing, IMHO ). ^ BOTH "Sulfur Mustards" (i.e. banned chemical weapons) *and* "Nitrogen Mustards" (i.e. approved 'chemotherapy') are listed as "Schedule 1" substances -- in the same class as Ricin, Sarin and VX nerve gas en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_1_substances_%28CWC%29#Toxic_chemicals |
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 4, 2006 12:11:57 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 4, 2006 17:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by sagas4 on May 10, 2006 12:12:37 GMT -5
My goodness, first it was dangerous bread, and NOW THIS!!!The FDA protecting its "citizens" against "dangerous cherries"...I think they're carnivorous or sumthin....They have an affinity for debutantes with buck teeth... www.newstarget.com/019366.htmlWouldn't it be strangely ironic yet just deserts, if the Cherry growers responded by banding together and then hired BlackWater Security to guard their orchards, processing facilities, and distribution centers and trucking? Why, the FDA would then have to go to every grocer in the country, maybe even door to door to check everyone's refrigerator, then people might actually realize there's something strangely awry. |
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 24, 2006 17:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by dvishnu on May 24, 2006 19:52:50 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 25, 2006 15:32:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be strangely ironic yet just deserts, if the Cherry growers responded by banding together and then hired BlackWater Security to guard their orchards, processing facilities, and distribution centers and trucking? Why, the FDA would then have to go to every grocer in the country, maybe even door to door to check everyone's refrigerator, then people might actually realize there's something strangely awry. Speaking of Blackwater "Security": Blackwater Mercenaries: Coming Soon to Your Town "It's like a scene out of Sinclair Lewis' dystopic novel, 'It Can't Happen Here'..." Blackwater Security: "If we're good enough for the Iraqi evildoers, we're good enough for the Homeland!" |
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 26, 2006 13:01:19 GMT -5
On the topic of health options, truth, "informed consent", etc. I would like to speak/ask about the favorite subject of sadists everywhere. Dentistry.Dirt's story so far...This weekend I think that my upper molar chipped, and so now about 1/3 of it is gone, i.e. the tooth was normally shaped: [O]and is now shaped almost like: [CSo I go to the dentist today. They do an X-Ray of that tooth area, and since it's been 10 years since my last visit I agree to getting a full panormic taken of my whole mouth, side-to-side. I'm told that the chipped tooth is not just a molar, it's the farthest back molar, and 3/4 of my "wisdom teeth" have actually all come in, so the chipped tooth is actually my "wisdom tooth" -- therefore pretty much a no-brainer, highly recommended "extraction" says Mr. "no vested financial interest in my advice" Dentist. :-\ Here's where it gets puzzling to me. Mr. Dentist then explains the following (paraphrasing -- he used interested metaphors, actually quite impressive)... Due to the way bacteria (the kind that is causing the cavity) *loves* the taste of blood, especially non-blood-vessel blood, extracting the one tooth would be like "third world dentistry" -- it would leave an irrestible "honey pot" for the bacteria from cavities in a couple of the other wisdom teeth... And soon I would have an infection in the jaw itself, where the chipped tooth once was. So best to do all the extraction work needed all at once. "Trust, but verify." "Question Authority". You guys know me. So here's what I'm wondering: Maybe my paranoia is unjustified, maybe that recent thread that mentioned the 3 methods of COERCION (i.e. The secret of mind-control is simple ... one sentence: "...the routine follows the same basic steps: Generate disorientation, induce regression, and then become the target's transferred parent figure") has gotten me to be a bit too untrusting. I felt disoriented (cuz I am not that familiar with cavities/wisdom teeth and what the *facts* tell us) ; I felt like a child due to my ignorance (and since I went to the dentist regularly as a child, but now as an adult it's once per decade) ; I was told by Mr. Dentist "do what I suggest and everything will be okay, don't do it and ... [imply something fear-triggering] -- oh btw here's a prescription for anti-inflammatories and extreme painkillers 'just in case the pain gets worse real soon'..." -kinda like a parent ain't it. Or am I wrong to be so skeptical? Is there really any other "alternatives" once a tooth -- or multiple teeth -- have cavities, especially to the point where a good 25% of one has just chipped away leaving a "C" shaped hole in its side?  For anyone familiar by personal experience with dentistry and/or wisdom teeth (not "professional extertise/advice", of course) does the dentist's recommendation sound correct, reasonable? On my full-mouth X-Ray it looks like of the other 3 wisdom teeth, only 1 is coming in sideways (and will not correct itself due to the angle), and the other 2 have minor or medium cavities. So the recommendation by Mr. Dentist was extract *all 4* (i.e. at the same time, thus requiring sedation, 2 days of recovery time, "have a friend with you to take you home", etc.) Maybe it's the $1200 estimate ($200 per extraction, but it might be lower if it is done quicker, they gave me a higher estimate just to be safe) or maybe it's that I feel like a new car owner who was just told by the mechanic that the grinding of the brakes I hear has revealed the need for the transmission to be overhauled. I "can do it now all at once, or do it later but it will be more costly and painful"... Thoughts? :-\ |
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Post by sagas4 on May 26, 2006 16:10:20 GMT -5
Same thing happened to one of mine quite a few years ago.
I still have 3 others.
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Post by NonEntity on May 26, 2006 16:50:05 GMT -5
DD, here is my personal experience which is JUST THAT AND NO MORE.
I had LOTS of cavities when young. Had them filled with the poison de jure at the time and now it is decades later. (My dentist in the 50s even gave me mercury to play with, and I used to roll it around in my hands and stuff. See... now you know where all of this is coming from! ;D )
About 7 years ago the (don't know the fancy words) next to the back tooth in my jaw started to hurt. It hurt really badly. Then it got worse. So... I'm thinking root canal, money, I hate doctors (I'm from a medical family and know that they are mostly ignorant and the rest is guesswork) and so I stall. A week goes by, the pain is now radiating down from my jaw into my neck. It hurts like a... well it hurts a lot. Another week I manage to be indecisive and now the pain is radiating down into my torso and killing me softly with its... oops, that's a song, isn't it? Anyway, I managed to endure the pain for perhaps as long as a month, and finally it went away.
Chapter 2. Another one of my big teeth in the back area started to become painful. (This is now a coupla years after the above.) It hurts if I chew on it. So I don't. Time goes by, I try to ignore it, which mostly works unless I'm eating or something like that. Finally one day I'm eating something and I bite down on a rock contained therein. I reach in my mouth and pull out the rock. It is a major part of the tooth that had been hurting. Hmm. It becomes even more sensitive than before, but differently. I continue to ignore it. (Are you starting to see a pattern here?) After a while (weeks or so) the pain goes away and it starts acting pretty much like a tooth should. I can chew with what's left. It doesn't hurt much, except for the jagged piece of filling which is now shredding my tongue. For my tongues sake, I take a hand file, stick it in my mouth and scrape off the sharp edges. Ahh.... THAT'S better!
All is good in toothland now.
Another year or three goes by and (this is now about three weeks ago) another tooth on the other side starts being REALLY sensitive to chewing pressure, so now I start chewing on the other side of my mouth. It only hurts when I'm eating (again). This goes on for a coupla weeks and then finally another rock shows up in my morning oatmeal. It also turns out to be a large chunk of toothy material. The tooth gets differently sensitive as it is now more exposed than before. But after a few days the sensitivity sorta goes away and it is getting to be pretty okay and I can even eat with it again. That was about a week ago.
I'm still alive. I have no more definite medical conclusions than that. Coffee is a bit hot on that tooth as of this morning, but not so bad I didn't enjoy it. (The coffee, not the pain.)
You may feel free to draw whatever conclusions you desire from this, but keep this in mind: they will be TOTALLY YOUR CONCLUSIONS! I am simply reporting my personal experience.
- NonE
(And I wish you the very best of luck with all of this!)
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