Just How Deep Does The Rabbit Hole Really Go?

[NonEntity]

(our librarian asked me to move this from it's inappropriately and inconsiderately and abusively ridiculous original placement... being the goodie goodie that I am, naturally I complied.)

And here is a radio program from Sept. 10, 2002 that was one of many sources on this page.

TAKING AIM with Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone
Tuesdays 5:00-6:00pm ET, WBAI 99.5 FM New York, and www.wbai.org

Sept 10, 2002 program: "9/11: False Flag Operation" (16 Kbits/sec, 7 MBytes)

It has a lot of very interesting historical material. I found it well worth listening to.

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

Good to know that nobody on this forum would even think of doing more than simply "asking" you to do something, and leave the choice up to you, of whether or not to act ;D

[NonEntity]

Izat cuz you know me too well, or cuz evrbodies so principaled hear?

- NonE (what spell chick?)

[Darren Dirt]

Back on "topic"...


Army sez doubting official 9/11 story is 'Disloyal To The United States'

www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=426&z=54

According to unnamed military sources ... Forty-one-year-old Sergeant First Class Donald Buswell "used his Government issued email account to send messages disloyal to the United States ..." Because of these statements, SFC Buswell could soon find himself dishonorably discharged, court marshaled, or worse.

...SFC Buswell responded [to an email asking questions about the 9/11 Pentagon plane crash]:

I receive many unsolicited e-mails daily, this one I chose to respond to. The below mentioned premise that an F4 Phantom fighter jet hitting that hardened concrete barrier is akin to the alleged 757 hitting the Pentagon is like oil and water; they don't mix, and they serve to muddy the issue. The issue is 911 was filled with errors in the 'official report' and 'official story' of that day, and, what happened that day. We all know and saw 2 planes hitting the WTC buildings, we didn't see the 757 hit the Pentagon, nor did we see the plane crash in Shanksville PA. Both the PA and Pentagon 'crashes' don't have clues and tell-tale signs of a jumbo-jet impacting those zones!

The Pentagon would have huge wing impacts in the side of the building; it didn't. Shanksville PA would have had debris, and a large debris field; it didn't. ...

...It's not a paranoid conspiracy to think there are conspiracies out there...and, it's not Liberal Lunacy either, nor is it Conservative Kookiness! People, fellow citizens we've been had! We must demand a new independent investigation into 911 and look at all options of that day, and all plausabilities [sic], even the most incredulous theories must be examined.

Upon returning to his office the next day, Buswell discovered the locks had been changed, his security clearance was revoked, and an investigation had been launched...

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And for this he might be court-martialled? Yeesh -- do not cast doubt upon the infallible wisdom of the Fuhrer!

[Darren Dirt]

never before seen angle of 2nd plane impact (perhaps now dispelling the "no plane" theory?)
jeremymorrison.com/wtcplane.html


Charlie Sheen on Jimmy Kimmel!

Sheen BOLDLY speaking publicly on June 27th!!


V for Vendetta parallels


PNAC video: openyourmindseye.blogspot.com/2005/10/pnac-video.html


George Carlin exposes the "education system" myth ("...they want obedient workers. Obedient workers...")


a WHOLE bunch more here: www.openyourmindseye.com/ (redirects to openyourmindseye.blogspot.com/) and at remembertheeleventhofseptember.blogspot.com

[NonEntity]

Here is a new movie that might interest some: Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

Read about it here.

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

nonentity said:

Here is a new movie that might interest some: Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

Read about it here.

- NonE

Heard about it almost a year ago, saw a trailer or a preview I think.

Nice to see it's "getting out to the masses", to the point where the producer's website is almost unable to stay up.



www.crisisinamerica.org/everybody.html

Largely ignored by the mainstream media, many of the disturbing facts surrounding the attacks of 9/11 raise deeply ethical questions associated with issues of accountability, justice and censorship in America. Related: see this AiLL thread

"Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime" may very well be the most compelling film yet outlining the disturbing and heavily censored facts associated with the worst terrorist attacks in American history. And while a grassroots movement worldwide continues to grow, and demand answers to the many unanswered questions, the public outcry for accountability and transparency makes this film, perhaps, the most important film of 2006.

"Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime" is a free movie, produced by an independent artist, for educational and journalistic purposes only. Any proceeds derived from this premier event will go towards allaying the costs of presenting this film in the light of day, in New York City, in what is left of a free America in Tribeca.

We are making such material available in our efforts to advance the general public's understanding of political, human rights, and social justice issues, under the definition of 'fair use' as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. The material on this site is distributed without profit for research and educational purposes only.

...

* Warning Signs to Watch *
Historic Factors Leading to the Rise of Fascist States:

1) Massive public investment in the military-industrial complex;

2) Expansion of global influence through military conflict / occupation / acquisition of resources;

3) Ownership and control of the media and information outlets by the ruling elite;

4) Growing disparities between economic classes, with a greater consolidation of wealth among the ruling elite;

5) Suppression of labor movements and workers' rights initiatives;

6) Diminution of individual civil rights (usually under a pre-text of fear) and intolerance for dissenting points of view;

7) Subversion or elimination of democratic election processes.

( see also: "14 Points of fascism" -- *ESPECIALLY* #12 (see below) )

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12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
-American Gestapo is here: "There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the 'United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.'"
-America: secret jails, secret courts, secret arrests, and now secret laws
-Snitch-or-Go-to-Jail bill will make pretty much anything short of reporting on everyone you see for doing just about anything a jailable offense. With minimum sentences, up to and including life without parole.
-The problem with Gonzales is that he has been deeply involved in developing some of the most sweeping claims of near-dictatorial presidential power in our nation's history, allowing him to imprison and even (at least in theory) torture anyone in the world, at any time
-Police officers don't have to give a reason at the time they arrest someone, the U.S. Supreme Court said in a ruling that shields officers from false-arrest lawsuits.




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update: *IMPORTANT*

WOW -- this 8 minute trailer of "America Lost" is the most haunting, distressing, and inspiring piece of video footage i've seen in a LONG time:

"Download our trailer for America Lost"
www.crisisinamerica.org/everybody.html


right-click, save this link...
www.crisisinamerica.org/media/trailer.mov

[sagas4]

Terrorstorm - Alex Jones

I had hope that if you point out inconsistencies people are rational and will ask questions. The problem is that if they have been bamboozled so long it is difficult to think logically. Some of the people Alex talks to in this video demonstrate this doublethink well.

One woman says she will give up a little liberty for freedom. 28:15 to 30:00.

35:43 - Alex talks about the use of drills to mask the actual events.

40:05 - Statistical analysis of the chance of an actual attack happening the exact way at the exact time, at the exact place of a drill. If you see anything of this video the most important part is from 35:43 to about 40:50. This shows the statistical virtual impossibility of the events that have happened supposedly as a fluke at the same time as drills taking place in the last few years from Oklahoma City till London 7/7/05. The only rational conclusion is that these events were planned.

A man protesting at Crawford tells Alex he knows where this is going says it's B.S. and walks away when Alex tells him most of the terrorists were Saudi yet the decider is walking around in Crawford holding hands with Saudi leaders. Lead in starts at 1:06:00

1:12:40 Alex is using facts talking about the LBJ tapes, and an idiot tells him it's nonsense.

I recommend watching the whole thing one hour 52 min if you can stomach ignorance and irrational group doublethink. Which reminds me.

The Century of the Self Part 1

The Century of the Self Part 2

The Century of the Self Part 3

The Century of the Self Part 4

[sagas4]

Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime On Google Video.

[Darren Dirt]

sagas4 said:

Terrorstorm - Alex Jones

Just a warning for some of us -- although it's good to see what the Sheeple and the Controllers are saying/thinking/doing, a lot of the last batch of Alex Jones "documentaries" are really just fear-mongering -- they don't focus much at all on solutions, it's almost like a tool for like "wake up through terrifying them".

Seen that kinda stuff enough, no thanks, not anymore...


I don't wanna be paralyzed anymore, feel helpless and hopeless anymore. I want solutions.

Marc, LadyLiberty, Lew Rockwell, and of course and especially the Root-Strikers are all so positive to me, I find less and less an attraction to the negative, dark, fear-focused stuff. Just MHO of course -- but again, also a warning re. Terrorstorm. :-\

I had hope that if you point out inconsistencies people are rational and will ask questions. The problem is that if they have been bamboozled so long it is difficult to think logically. Some of the people Alex talks to in this video demonstrate this doublethink well.

Perhaps this is why more and more I think the only way real change will happen is one conscience at a time (*cough*STR*cough*) but also getting the terrorcrats to answer simple questions "on the record" for the public who support them to see and be disturbed by... again, stirring consciences and getting them to stop feeding the Beast.

That to me is the source of HOPE -- sorry Alex, thanks for all you have done for liberty (including for me personally, I've learned a LOT!) but I want to empower folks and weaken the System, and watching dark videos that anger and sadden me ain't gonna do that.

[NonEntity]

Darren,

I must commend you for your last post. It is wise, it is caring, it is important to be heard. I thank you for saying it.

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

Since this is the primary "9/11" thread, here's a link to another thread I just created specifically for listing *examples of the MSM blindly mocking those who question the Official Lie* (especially now on the 5th anniversary...)





Also another video is "9/11: Press For Truth" ; I can't remember if this has been mentioned already, but the 2 minute trailer on their website looks promising...

Following the attacks of September 11th, a small group of grieving families waged a tenacious battle against those who sought to bury the truth about the event—including, to their amazement, President Bush. In ‘9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH’, six of them, including three of the famous “Jersey Girls”, tell for the first time the powerful story of how they took on the greatest powers in Washington—and won!—compelling an investigation, only to subsequently watch the 9/11 Commission fail in answering most of their questions.

Adapting Paul Thompson’s definitive Complete 9/11 Timeline (published by HarperCollins as ‘The Terror Timeline’), the filmmakers collaborate with documentary veterans Globalvision (‘WMD: Weapons of Mass Deception’, ‘Beyond JFK’) to stitch together rare overlooked news clips, buried stories, and government press conferences, revealing a pattern of official lies, deception and spin. As a result, a very different picture of 9/11 emerges, one that raises new and more pressing questions.

What actions were taken by top government officials who received dozens of specific warnings before the attack? Was Osama Bin Laden and his top al Qaeda leadership allowed to escape U.S. forces in Afghanistan? And what has been the reason for the deliberate obscuring of evidence for state sponsorship? Perhaps the most important one of all: Why, five years later, are so many of the families’ questions still unanswered?

www.911pressfortruth.com/story

[NonEntity]

I happened across the story of Kay Griggs yesterday. It is VERY interesting.

There are some things that would make me very skeptical of her story, one of which is that it involves homosexuality and she claims to be a devout christian, so I think there is a very large reason for her to exagerate things to fit a model she wants to see. Yet there remains much that appears to make a lot of sense and ties together some things in a much neater package than a lot of other explanations I've run across.

I am simply offering this up for your perusal. Make your own judgements, of course.

from the Rense article:

Katharine 'Kay' Griggs knows what it's like to have a gun pointed in her face. She knows what it's like to have her face slapped, her bones broken and her nose bloodied by her former bully of a husband, an active Marine Colonel and a man who she claims is "above the law and literally gets away with murder."

Virginia court documents and photos of her battered arms and legs tell the sad and brutal physical story of her failed marriage, a tumultuous 11 year roller coaster ride ending in 1999.

But the real story for public consumption isn't the private divorce court details. It is the secret military information about drug running, weapon sales, sexual perversion and assassination squads she learned firsthand from her husband, U.S. Marine Corps Col. George Raymond Griggs, now remarried and living in Mirror Lake, NH.

Here is an article in Rense about her story.

Here is a YouTube interview with her.

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

The Rense article: "The Evil Lurking Within"
Kay Griggs, Former Marine Colonel's Wife, Talks Again
About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal
Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within
The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government
By Greg Szymanski

Greg is usually very skillful in telling an under-reported story in an interesting, professional way... and is known for having facts and sources behind the story.

Still no guarantee the story is actually real (since it's really just "her word"),
however like the YouTube commenter "COUGUE" said (2 hours ago!)
"It is reality and dovetails what I of necessity have had to research since 1995. Those who vulgarly oppose these truths wouls also likely "shoot the messenger". Read Scott and Lively's The PINK SWASTIKA and study OPERATION PAPERCLIP and MK-Ultra, -OFTEN, -SEARCH and -Naomi"

^ Most of the bolded words are various black-ops and psy-ops that some of us have heard of...

Kay's website: www.kaygriggstalks.com/

[sagas4]

darrendirt said:

sagas4 said:

Terrorstorm - Alex Jones

Just a warning for some of us -- although it's good to see what the Sheeple and the Controllers are saying/thinking/doing, a lot of the last batch of Alex Jones "documentaries" are really just fear-mongering -- they don't focus much at all on solutions, it's almost like a tool for like "wake up through terrifying them".

Seen that kinda stuff enough, no thanks, not anymore...


I don't wanna be paralyzed anymore, feel helpless and hopeless anymore. I want solutions.

Marc, LadyLiberty, Lew Rockwell, and of course and especially the Root-Strikers are all so positive to me, I find less and less an attraction to the negative, dark, fear-focused stuff. Just MHO of course -- but again, also a warning re. Terrorstorm. :-\

I had hope that if you point out inconsistencies people are rational and will ask questions. The problem is that if they have been bamboozled so long it is difficult to think logically. Some of the people Alex talks to in this video demonstrate this doublethink well.

Perhaps this is why more and more I think the only way real change will happen is one conscience at a time (*cough*STR*cough*) but also getting the terrorcrats to answer simple questions "on the record" for the public who support them to see and be disturbed by... again, stirring consciences and getting them to stop feeding the Beast.

That to me is the source of HOPE -- sorry Alex, thanks for all you have done for liberty (including for me personally, I've learned a LOT!) but I want to empower folks and weaken the System, and watching dark videos that anger and sadden me ain't gonna do that.

Great Observation there Darren. I hadn't thought of it that way. Alex did present a great deal of facts and evidence to people though. It was like a documentary about him trying to wake people up and everyone kept hitting snooze on the alarm clock.

If that is the approach to take though, I'm tired of seeing all the new 911 videos which expose even more. They have no solutions either, and STR is logic and reason that sheeple will ignore.

And since I have been away except to exchange a few PM's with NonE the last week, I have 3 pages of posts to catch up on here which don't really have any *actionable* items *TO DO* but read and go yep theres another example of the crap system we have.

Where's Cypher when you need him?