The No State Project

[sagas4]

admin said:

I will not be having a guest on this Saturday's show, December 17, 2005.

I want everyone to call in because it's going to be limited to only market solutions to bringing about a voluntary society.

If you can't call in, please email me questions and short comments and I will read them over the air.

Thanks.

Well Check out the humor thread then. The Dakota Indian Story, Now where do we go from there. Pow, Right to the moon Alice, Right to the moon.

[sagas4]

Ok here's some serious stuff.

1. Gold or Silver as a medium of exchange, There are already several companies doing this.

I like the "Liberty Dollar" the problem with all these forms of exchange is that one must use FRN's to purchase them in the first place and the "Liberty Dollar" name leaves something to be desired. How does this move us to a voluntary society when we must still use FRN's? (People always pronounce it Nor-Fed but I like to say No R Fed (Know Our Fed).

I guess when enough are in circulation Liberties, egold, or others the FRNS wouldn't be a concern but sooner or later someone must take the hit when FRN's return to their intrinsic value.

2. Barter. - It still works well. I have traded this way and still do when feasible. My Skills and labor for yours or something I need or want we can agree upon.

3. We had a post somewhere around here about the PTB removing links with the help of Google, Yahoo etc.

A user maintained search engine designed like wikipedia. It won't do anything about routers filtering packets for sites that have been banned but it would make the PTB go crazy trying to sniff packets from sites they don't want you to see. It would also have to be decentralized and volunteers could host kind of like how a WinMX file sharing system works. This would drive them nuts trying to shutdown all the servers because no one person or company would own them.

4. If you have some handyman or other skills work for cash. I have a friend who does this exclusively and while he doesn't have a load of material items he does well enough to keep a roof over his head and feed 6 kids and has a heck of a lot more free time than most.

I hope this stirrs some thoughts and input from others. We have a lot of brain power in this forum.

[sagas4]

I had a couple of email exchanges with Carl Watner recently and let him know Marc has his own radio show now. Carl didn't think he would be on the air any time soon but I would still like to listen to that one.

[marc stevens]

I spoke with Carl last month and asked him to do the show and he declined. He was the one who referred mo to Hans Sherrer.

[sagas4]

Ok, Check this out www.anarchism.net/ammo.htm

A Must read books list by Per Bylund at anarchism.net - On the List Marc's Book

A quote from one of Per's many Articles on STR.

A friend of mine keeps repeating that “people do what they have an incentive to do.” It is true, they do. It seems to be what is expressed in the libertarian principle of rationality, but most libertarians seem to overlook the implication of it. The incentives in the welfare-warfare state are set by the government. In a society dedicated to redistribution of wealth, the incentives are not to produce wealth – the incentives are to receive it.

Here, Please read my pamphlet

Here, Please read my pamphlet, Part II

Per, suggests we quit supporting the state by providing better services, and hiding what one can from the thieves.

This might make an interesting show. Many are ignorant of the tools at their disposal to take action themselves. Here we're Back to the practical things individuals can do to to avoid the killers liars and thieves.

[Darren Dirt]

sagas4 said:

Ok, Check this out www.anarchism.net/ammo.htm

A Must read books list by Per Bylund at anarchism.net - On the List Marc's Book

Nice! That site has a lot of potential, it's been growing sporadically but that's good they put up this "must read" list.

One of the free weblinks: "What is Property? An Inquiry into the Principle of Right and of Government" Hmm...

[Freeborn]

BANKSTER wants our GOLD again...

YOu guys must check this article out.

www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12447

gnn.tv/articles/1488/Barrick_Gold_Strikes_Opposition_in_South_America

[joetooktheredpill]

If this no state thing was createde thing I think we should call it the "ground".

[Darren Dirt]

Ouch, Marc. That first caller on Saturday night, wow. You say up front "no patriot nonsense" and this guy wasted 10 valuable minutes saying "FACT: The United States is a legal corporation, so is each State and City, etc."

And you're trying to say "FACT: A legal corporation is a FICTION, it's not REAL".

I had to say "oy vey!" And I'm not even Jewish

I'm shocked that guy didn't mention his website and/or books, videos, whatever since he seemed to be talking about scaring the bleep out of judges and clerks, instead of... hmm... the whole POINT of your SHOW!


You have shown amazing patience and restraint, so far. I'm at the 22 minute mark,a nd I sure hope one of the forum participants got through, less likely to head off in a pointless tangent that way.

Perhaps in the future when you have call-in shows, you have a 3x5 card in front of you with certain often-used paytriot words, with the FACTUAL definition, such as FREEDOM, LAW, GOVERNMENT, and of course STATE. Then you could interrupt these blind sheeple and say, "Factually, [word] is defined as [definition]. No amount of political spin or legal wordsmithing changes that FACT." ;D

Again, wow, what patience you have displayed...

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Great show, Marc! It got way better (except at the end, that "Babylon" spouting guy...)

I tried looking up the "On the steps of central asia" by Richard Ferley (Furley?) and no luck on Google or Yahoo. Any luck yourself?

Also at the end of the program you mentioned 2 things re. the Bible: Maurice Nichols, and Emmanuel Swedenborg somebody -- could you post a link to these resources? Not sure of the spelling of these... Or of the Richard Ferley book (but that was especially intriguing -- re. how to actually move towards a voluntary society!)

Also for anyone who is interested in having a look at the "Healing Our World" free book, it seems to be available here:
www.ruwart.com/Healing/
www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html

[marc stevens]

I should have cut him off after 2 minutes.

You can google Maurice Nicholls (The New Man, the Mark) and you can get some info on Emanuel Swedenborg at www.swedenborg.com/

His magnum opus is the Arcana Caelestia. I would suggest reading Nicholls first as his writings, though deep and profound, make for a good introduction to Swedenborg.

This is my private opinion. It is not an invitation to have religious discussions on this board.

[Darren Dirt]

admin said:

I should have cut him off after 2 minutes.

You can google Maurice Nicholls (The New Man, the Mark) and you can get some info on Emanuel Swedenborg at www.swedenborg.com/

His magnum opus is the Arcana Caelestia. I would suggest reading Nicholls first as his writings, though deep and profound, make for a good introduction to Swedenborg.

This is my private opinion. It is not an invitation to have religious discussions on this board.

Thanks Marc. Any luck in finding the "solution" resource offered by "Mr. Furley"? Man, I wish that caller spelled out the name...

[judgemental]

DD,

You seem to have taken the wrong "STEPPES" in your search for Mr. Richard D Fuerle

Per Bylund to your rescue:

anarchism.net/steppes.htm

J M

[Darren Dirt]

judgement4l said:

DD,

You seem to have taken the wrong "STEPPES" in your search for Mr. Richard D Fuerle

Per Bylund to your rescue:

anarchism.net/steppes.htm

J M

Wow, thanks!

On the Steppes of Central Asia -- I guess the actual title even makes sense ;D


Even more interesting, another title from Mr. Fuerle:

Natural Rights: A New Theory

Description

Do you have a right to “your” car, “your” house, or even to “your” life? Why? Because the government says you do? Suppose they change their minds? Wouldn’t it be better if you could prove that you have a right to your property, including your own body?

This book offers such a proof. The proof begins with the premise that people have free will. A “right” is defined as a valid claim to the use of a physical thing, and the author argues that free will implies that the first person to use an unclaimed physical thing acquires a right to that use. For example, we acquire rights to use our bodies when we first use them.

Rights are transferred to another person when the right-holder abandons his right and the other person claims it. Rights are violated when another person uses the same physical thing in a way that conflicts with our use.


Difficult questions are tackled in this book, such as: What rights can children acquire? Can we acquire rights to intellectual property? How can retribution against criminals be implied by free will? Does a judge violate rights if he sentences a defendant who is in fact innocent? And, do rights conflict with survival?

That's quite the list of promises the book makes. I really think some of us serious students of solutions would benefit from having a look -- as this seems to be the only issue some of us have polarized views on. Some quote from a famous guy (can't remember more than that) said something about eating an apple, and how it was analogous to all other questions of "property rights"... It seems to all come down to first productive use or improvement of a physical thing, until you are no longer doing that and/or have abandoned that right. Like what Fuerle seems to be saying.

Oh, and there is right now an ONLINE version of the "Natural Rights" book! www.naturalrights.us/

[NonEntity]

Marc, GREAT discussion about writing contracts specifically exempting yourself from any relation with any state mechanisms!

- NonE

[Darren Dirt]

nonentity said:

Marc, GREAT discussion about writing contracts specifically exempting yourself from any relation with any state mechanisms!

- NonE

I haven't listened yet, but I wonder if it's along the lines of something I just found:

www.practicalliberty.org/#decree

www.contractforliberty.com/

The above also remind me of what I just read this week written by Thoreau 200 years ago:

"I, Henry Thoreau, do not wish to be regarded as a member of any incorporated society which I have not joined..."

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Also the above linked to the following, which seems to be the "intellectual basis" for some of the details in the "contract", etc.
www.whatwouldyoudo.us/
www.think.ws/