The No State Project

[eye2i2hear]

apologies to my "cold" north friend, in letting my slip show...

(i knew you from Canada, and still added that! geesh----)

too bad, I suppose, thinking about it actually for the first time myself, that those guys that "won" [*wink*wink*] the "War Of Independence" didn't force ole King George (the "loser" [*wink*wink*]) to grant independence to all of America as part of the spoils... [and since France was the reason the U.S. "won" [*wink*wink*] to start with, geesh, that aspect of America cold and to the north ought to be within the privy of The Declaration as well, wi`?]

[cyber post-it-note to self: Cyberville is not "Cyberville, USA".-- (& no zip required?)]

[sagas4]

When I was in the patriot mode I came across an old document. It was like the first resolution of the first continental congress. There was some verbiage in there about "we the colonies", and "Canada Too" if her inhabitants want to.

Kind of like that old commercial; Shake and Bake and the little child proclaiming "annnd eyeee helped!!"

or and your little Toto Too.

man them cannucks . . .

[eye2i2hear]

'preciate the "research" prompt, tip-a-cannuck-and-sagas-too/2; always a tad curious 'bout such...

sagas4 said:

It was like the first resolution of the first continental congress. There was some verbiage in there about "we the colonies", and "Canada Too" if her inhabitants want to.

"Continental Congress, American intercolonial assemblage of delegates, which evolved into the de facto revolutionary government that directed the war for independence. The First Continental Congress convened in Carpenters' Hall, Philadelphia, on September 5, 1774, to consider and act on the situation arising from the so-called Intolerable Acts, passed by the British Parliament in retaliation for the Boston Tea Party.

Twelve colonies were represented in the First Continental Congress by about 50 delegates designated principally by the colonial assemblies; Canada and Georgia were not represented. One of the Virginia delegates, Peyton Randolph, was unanimously elected president of the assembly. The First Continental Congress issued a petition to George III, king of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, called the Declaration of Rights and Grievances, and invited the people of Canada to join in an appeal to the king to help restore harmony between Britain and the colonies. In addition, the Congress called for the colonies to adopt a radical agreement—the Continental Association—boycotting trade with Britain. Extralegal bodies known as Committees of Safety were charged with enforcing the association; they soon became revolutionary spearheads in the towns and counties, creating the first effective union among the colonies and silencing Loyalist opinion."

encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia

Seems that linkage in and of itself ("Canada and Georgia") is revealing to this Government School boy.

Kind of like that old commercial; Shake and Bake and the little child proclaiming "annnd eyeee helped!!"

Hey, quit 'at dad'burn taulkin' like Eye do... dawg gone'ya! ;D

[git tha' scatter gun, boys, I thank his jawin' is'a makin' light of yore cousin...]

[eye2i2hear]

and in taking the liberty to continue this blatant thread abuse/white rabbit trail (tho it does link to the topic of "purpose of government"):

The Declaration of Independence of Lower Canada was written in French by the patriot rebel Robert Nelson on February 22, 1838, while in exile in the United States, after the first rebellion of 1837.

The 1838 declaration was primarily inspired by the 1776 United States Declaration of Independence and the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, but it also included some other political ideas that were popular in the 19th century. The movement for the independence of Lower Canada (today Quebec) ultimately failed, as it did not result in the creation of an independent nation-state.
Excerpt
(Unofficial Translation)

...understood that we can no longer suffer these reiterated violations of our rights and patiently witness the insults and the multiplied and recent cruelties of the Government of Low Canada,

WE, in the name of the people of Lower Canada, adoring the decree of the divine providence who allows us to overthrow the government which has ignored the reason for which it was created, and allows us to chose the form of government most likely to establish justice, to ensure domestic peace, to provide for common defense, to promote the general good, and to guarantee to us and our posterity the benefits of civil and religious Liberty,

SOLEMNLY DECLARE:

1. That beginning to this day, the People of Lower-Canada is EXONERATED from any allegiance to Great Britain, and that all political connections between this power and Lower Canada ceases as of this day.
2. That Lower Canada shall take a REPUBLICAN form of government and now declares itself, de facto, a REPUBLIC.
3. That under the free government of Lower Canada, all citizens shall have the same rights; the Indians will cease to be subject to any kind of civil disqualification, and will enjoy the same rights as the other citizens of the state of Lower Canada.

TheFreeDictionary.com

Here's to the day when its NO-State, republicon or otherwise, but rather a V society!

Answers.com has this snippet, but unfortunately no inclusion of or links to the actual dialog/source documents:

During the long standoff at Boston, the Continental Congress sought a way to seize the initiative elsewhere. Congress had initially invited the French Canadians to join them as the fourteenth colony, but when that failed to happen, Congress authorized an invasion of Canada. The goal was to remove British rule from the primarily francophone province of Quebec (comprising present-day Quebec and Ontario).

[Darren Dirt]

"
WE, in the name of
the people of Lower Canada, adoring the decree of the divine providence who
allows us to overthrow the government which has
ignored the reason for which it was created, and
allows us to choose the form of
government most likely to
establish justice, to
ensure domestic peace, to
provide for common defense, to
promote the general good, and
to guarantee to us and our posterity the benefits of civil and religious Liberty,
"

^ Seems the author is implying that "his" (and his colleagues') view of the "purpose" of government is best, and since the current "form" (at the time) was failing to do what he/they wanted it to, he was gonna replace it with something better. On behalf of ("in the name of") everybody, of course -- presumptuous much?

"The system isn't the problem; we just need to get 'our guy' into 'power'!!!"

Egad.



Here's something I thought fascinating: it "ultimately failed" the encyc. claims -- and it backs up that conclusion with what evidence? That it did not result in a "new" state.

In other words, some words were written on a piece of paper, and cuz they were ignored (according to the measurement that statist use, i.e. "did it result in the creation of a new state?", then the "independence movement" of Cuebeck "failed". Hmph.

Maybe if Mr. Nelson had taken out all the statist nonsense about "citizens' rights" then it would have been seen as something other than just "Fire the current slave master, hire this new one!" and thus would not have been ignored?

[eye2i2hear]

darrendirt said:

Here's something I thought fascinating: it "ultimately failed" the encyc. claims -- and it backs up that conclusion with what evidence? That it did not result in a "new" state.

kewel observation; now why didn't I think of asking for that evidence?!

In other words, some words were written on a piece of paper, and cuz they were ignored...

Which gets us back to where this aspect of this thread is focusing on: How those acting like The State are soooo crafty about IGNORING THEIR words!

As basically what Marc's been bringing to light specifically, ala The Declaration of Independence (amongst others) clearly (?) having The Stated purpose of said Government, etc. (Well, clearly having the words... ie "written on a piece of paper...")

Maybe if Mr. Nelson had taken out all the statist nonsense about "citizens' rights" then it would have been seen as something other than just "Fire the current slave master, hire this new one!" and thus would not have been ignored?

I noted myself the date of this writing as therein to connect it to recognizably similar verbage in the U.S.CONstitution. The Liberty ideas, they were a morphing already (compared to the more basic 1776 genesis). What's that they say about power corrupts? Be it as Gibson's character in the movie The Patriot put it: "Why should I trade a tyrant 3,ooo miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away?"

[Darren Dirt]

puhtaytoe, puhtahtoe; "tyrant" is too abstract, "slave master" is much more vivid and clear.

[sagas4]

Archive of The No State Project 10/Feb/2007 . Right Click, Save as to download.

[NonEntity]

Many thanks for this, Sagas. Although, unlike Marc, I was actually awake for this one. ;D

- NonE

[marc stevens]

OK NonE, this is all I have to say ;D

adventuresinlegalland.com/farg_war.mp3

[NonEntity]

- NonE

[eye2i2hear]

Marc, do you have a "mission statement" (specific or just in general) regarding the No State Project broadcast? Perhaps the name itself is the mission statement...
If its more than the name, could you post it here? If there really isn't such, can you express your objective(s)?

Also, is there any market sampling of who the typical audience is? Or what audience do you feel you are targeting with the program subjects/topics?

Then lastly (at least for now), from your perspective how does the individual seeking to hold the legal system to the "it is written" legal code (mostly as its not written as ruled on, eg see Russo's documovie) of income tax differ from the one seeking to hold said system to what it has written (siting precedence) regarding the legal code (ie "standing")? [where it seems to my eye's ear, the former is "the silly patriot" while the latter is "the wise No State-er"]

thanx in advance~
eye2i2here (the word artist formerly known as Toto)

ps: eye's ear hopes said mission statement includes playing cool music clips... eg Extreme btw, speaking of Extreme, have you listened to Cherone, the vocalist's, romp with Van Halen with/on Van Halen III/3? deff worth a listen if you like both pre-groups imho]

pss: thanx sagas 4the post link, as although unlike Marc/like NonE I was awake, my grandson's b'day party prohibited my being able to catch it live...

[kevin11]

o, oo-kkk-ay, her's my wallet - please dont hurt me (with my hands in the air) as this thread has definately been hi-jacked.

One of my favorite lines:

"There's just nothing quite like the feel of a good piece of oak"

Clinte Eastwood, in "Pale Horse Rider" just after he has beaten up the 7 hired gun slingers with an axe handle in front of the general store.

(No implications of anarchy intended)

Kevin,

[marc stevens]

The mission statement has been stated on the show many times, The only show on the air dedicated to bringing about a voluntary society - deprogramming the world one show at a time. Showing that government is the problem, not the answer.

And of course, much to the dismay of those in the radio business:

Anarchy

Anarchy being an absence of government. It never ceases to amaze me that people who have nothing but contempt for current government still equate anarchy with violence. Still bowing down to worship the almighty "state", refusing to give up StatistThink.

[dentistsugardust]

I love when someone comes up with the simplest form of analogy

" those acting like The State are soooo crafty about IGNORING THEIR words!"

It's so hard to come up with these when we think too hard. I loveded it