Blade
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Post by Blade on May 7, 2006 15:09:53 GMT -5
Are you going to buy a kit from a place like www.greasecar.com or build something yourself? |
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yeoman
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Post by yeoman on May 8, 2006 6:45:08 GMT -5
Dear Blade, I am monitoring the SVO threads on the biodiesel infopop site trying to determine what will work best and least expensive for me and then do it myself. The www.fattywagons.com site looks pretty good . Yeoman |
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Post by sagas4 on May 11, 2006 12:30:29 GMT -5
Another inventor uses brown's gas to fuel a 1994 ford escort. video here. Too bad he's trying to negotiate with the U.S. Government. |
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Post by sagas4 on May 11, 2006 12:40:05 GMT -5
Another Brown's gas video. This is a promo video from Xogen, which was purchased by a large company a while back and nothing has been heard from them since. |
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Post by KaosTheory on May 12, 2006 20:16:49 GMT -5
Another inventor uses brown's gas to fuel a 1994 ford escort. video here. Too bad he's trying to negotiate with the U.S. Government. Hmmm I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any death threats from anyone. Those Brown's gas torch look like a lot of fun. I wonder how well his car is running. People using this type of approach say that you have to install stainless steel valves, pistons, cylinder wall inserts, and stainless exhaust. It's hard to keep up with all this info. I can't make up my mind whether to go biodiesel, magnet motor, or Hydroxy generator.  I was checking thru the archives on RBN and found a recent Stadmiller show talking about adding acetone to gas to improve gas mileage. There is a link to check out: pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/ |
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Post by sagas4 on May 12, 2006 20:54:15 GMT -5
I thought we had a discussion about that on SJ forum a year or so ago. One of the members did an experiment and saw a minor improvement like 1 mpg but nothing significant.
What was the thread . . . . Living and survival or something like that.
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Post by KaosTheory on May 12, 2006 21:09:06 GMT -5
Mon., May 8, 2006: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s: Hr1 Hr2 ) John speaks about fuel additives, specifically acetone. Improve fuel mileage and engine performance when added under the following suggested guidelines (less is more): For gasoline engines, 1-3 ounces of pure acetone PER 10 gallons of gasoline. For diesel engines: 1-2 ounces of pure acetone PER 10 gallons of diesel. www.pesn.com/2006/03/17/6900069_AcetoneMy car already calculates instantaneous mileage and average mileage. I'm going to start by adding 1 oz of acetone and see what the average mpg goes to. Right now, mpg going to work averages 29 mpg. I'll let you know what happens after adding 1 oz. Then I'll try 2 oz then 3 oz and see if there is any difference. |
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Post by sagas4 on May 13, 2006 1:22:49 GMT -5
Another inventor uses brown's gas to fuel a 1994 ford escort. video here. Too bad he's trying to negotiate with the U.S. Government. Hmmm I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any death threats from anyone. Those Brown's gas torch look like a lot of fun. 1. I wonder how well his car is running. People using this type of approach say that you have to install stainless steel valves, pistons, cylinder wall inserts, and stainless exhaust.2. It's hard to keep up with all this info. I can't make up my mind whether to go biodiesel, magnet motor, or Hydroxy generator. I was checking thru the archives on RBN and found a recent Stadmiller show talking about adding acetone to gas to improve gas mileage. There is a link to check out: pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/1. After thinking some and looking at the devices, this is what Dingle is doing in that video you posted. I have heard the same thing about the stainless steel, but for experimentation purposes I bet you could find a small 4 cyl engine at a junk yard that still runs for under $300.00 FRN's. If you run it everyday it should get hot enough to keep the steam pushed through. Think about this though. The gasoline molecule in scientific notation is basically C 8H 18. There are other things in gasoline and other petroleum compounds have a different length but that is the scientific notation for pure gasoline. Notice something there? An Awful lot of Hydrogen. 18 of them little fellas. Gasoline is a Hydro-Carbon. Hydro from Hydro-gen. Hmmmm I wonder if any of that gets turned into water when burned? . . . Ever see some clear liquid running out of the tailpipe of a car sitting in front of you at the stop light? I wouldn't drink it (cause all the additives in gasoline) but I bet it's H2O with some impurities in there. Now I really wonder if you keep the engine lubricated properly if burning hydrogen or brown's gas would really be that different that gasoline, other than some timing issues. Pure Hydrogen has a burn rate over 10x faster than that of gasoline, so you need to spark the cylinder at or as close to TDC not a few degrees before TDC as with Gasoline and Alcohol. If you leave any engine set too long though moisture will condense in it anyway but It's gotta be sitting an awful long time to rust the pistons locked. The only way we'll know for sure is to do it but I don't think you would really need all that stainless steel like some claim. Heck buy an old 1971 Chevrolet Vega 4 Cyl (if you can find one, I shouldda kept mine, my buddy had a Corvair). Those engines were aluminum! I'd pull into the station and say" check the gas and filler up with oil boyz". (When the block heated up you got a lot of blow by in the cylinder so they constantly burned oil). ;D 2. I like to tinker in the garage some and have too many experiments unfinished so I have the same problem. I'm thinking I like that browns gas thing though. I could really have fun blowing stuff up. . . . . like balloons with fuses on them. ;D P.S. I added the Acetone Link under Petroleum Additives for (Gasoline/Diesel/Kerosene etc.) and have been trying to keep up with the new posts in this thread to make it easier to find the links. If ya'll find something I missed in the 8 or so pages of posts so far let me know with a PM I'll update it. |
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Post by lazerwood on May 13, 2006 6:02:10 GMT -5
I tried the acetone a couple years ago and saw no real improvement. Don't let me discourage your experimentation though.
Please keep it off your skin...(I wore rubber gloves when handling it), and keep the vapors out of your lungs.
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tru2form
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Post by tru2form on May 13, 2006 16:02:58 GMT -5
Nice thead. I too gave the acetone a whirl, with little to note on improvement. The studies all sound nice, breaking up surface tensionto improve carburation of the fuel; I even added a screen made of stainless scouring pads between the carb and the inlet manifold (yes, my truck is THAT old) to mimic some of the efi characteristics, yet found the added height slowed airspeed, reducing performance quite alot.
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Post by KaosTheory on May 13, 2006 22:09:56 GMT -5
Ok, test #1 was not very impressive. I got an average 30 mpg this time instead of 29 mpg after driving the car about 30 miles on the hwy.
I added an equivalent of 2 oz of acetone per 10 gallons of gas.
This is a little off ways from the 20 mpg increase reported by the author of the article. I'm not sure what other factors might be involved though.
I'll try adding a little more acetone to see what happens tomorrow.
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Post by KaosTheory on May 16, 2006 10:15:44 GMT -5
Still nothing with 3 oz of pure acetone in 10 gallons of 87 octane.
I'm not sure what to think about the guy making the claims. Maybe there are other variables....I don't know.
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Blade
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Post by Blade on May 17, 2006 19:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by KaosTheory on May 17, 2006 22:19:49 GMT -5
Free Energy: The Race to Zero Point
I haven't seen this one yet. It looks pretty interesting. I'll check it out asap.
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Post by KaosTheory on May 20, 2006 0:02:58 GMT -5
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