There is no state; is there a spoon?

[marc stevens]

Yeah, I hate that feature. If the above links are reposted they should work.

[Big Dave]

David is a interesting contrast of outlooks. To showing the dragon statues "guarding" the roads into the London fiance district, to the "worlds biggest secret" book, shape shifting reptilan "royal" bloodline yahoo's in postions of authority all over the globe. To the need to "love" and "show love" to these suposed creatures. Maybe thats where The Sex Pistols got their line "God save the queen, she ain't no human bein'!" He's so close to the truth, yet he pursue's a different path that it makes one wonder, what is he really about? And yes, no speaking in Canada, for being anti semite. I have read and heard numerous interviews with him for over 10 years and never saw anything that could be construed as that.

[Neo]

www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=politics+of+madness+icke&btnG=Google+Search

For just another viewpoint I find of interest but neither agree nor disagree with, see the above link.

[sagas4]

Interesting,

The first site on the search was, www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

The entire article in one sentence: Icke is dangerous to "democracy" because he promotes Fascist ideas of blood drinking lizard people controlling government; but we all know better, democracy is good for you.

Strange . . . In reality Icke is probably not far off the mark. in The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America the authors wrote, ". . . and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." It's just another way of saying "blood suckers".

Is is any wonder people see monsters? We are trained from an early age to believe something that does not exist does, and therefore distort reality. Icke probably does see lizard people where some of us see blood sucking tyrants lusting after power over other men and women, where the masses see their elected servants and protectors.

Come to think of it, what is that theory where a hostage comes to empathize with their captors? That might be a good description of what has taken place with the majority of folks who believe in the system.

[lazerwood]

I read the link Neo provided. How the article was written speaks volumes about it's author. The author uses all the poison "buzzwords" to assault David like:

"rightwing, anti-semitic, extreme, conspiracy theorist, holocaust-denyer"

The author also villifies him by the time-worn" guilt by association"...those people the author deems as "bad people".

My comments:

I've listened to a number of David's interviews and he actually spends very little time on "jews". When he does mention them, it's been without "hate", contrary to the authors assertions in that article.

It's plain to anyone reading the article that it's a "take out piece", to use a phrase from the journalistic field. Basically the article aims to "trash/demonize" David so no one will listen to him. You can bet that the organization that hosts this article has its own agenda...and that agenda sure isn't the defense of "free speech".

I neither endorse David, nor do I rail against him, but I sure do endorse his right to peaceful "assembly"...something that it is plain the author of that article does not.

[surfsup dude]

As a guy in brentwood calif. said as he barricaded himself in his apt. the police upon "extracting" him
found scrawled on the wall "vampires are real". Of course he was dismissed as a "nutcase"? I wonder.
An author by the name of Fritz Sprigmeir has written volumes of books on "bloodlines" and where they lead. Talk about rabbit trails, whew. Which way did they go? He got rousted by the doughnut gobblers and charged with growing illegal plants. which was later dropped(duh) but the "protect and serve" boys kept a bunch of his written research and computer stuff .Nothing what so ever to do with the orginal balony they said they came to investigate. Imgaine That! Don't know if they ever returned or not. Party on.

[dean]

Dirt, Since one else has responded to your health comments I felt I should. Particularly:

"So don't be surprised if the "American Cancer Association" dismisses the "B-17" theory as if they did some serious scientific studies (they most certainly did not)."

I doubt it is neither unstudied nor dismissed. Have you considered what it would do to all the high paying positions in the cancer societies around the world if a simple cure for cancer were allowed to be know? Do you really think they want cancer cured so they have to find another scam to ptomote?

[Dirt]

sagas4 said:

Interesting,

The first site on the search was, www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability... He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market of often well-to do New Age boomers.

Okay so first off I'm thinking "does that mean that those New Age boomers who are buying his stuff and supporting this industry are also mentally unstable?

Then I realized, "hey most of our friends, families, etc. think WE are 'mentally unstable' when we deny the existence of obvious reality such as states, citizens, governments, laws, etc."

So it's a humbling reminder, that the more we deconstruct, the deeper down The Rabbit Hole we choose to go (or are drawn, almost compulsively!) the farther from "orthodox understanding" we stray... And the more we appear as a "kook" to others.

Case in point: this weekened I was at a friend's house with about 15 people in the living room. Somebody mentions the word "freedom". I say "some believe that freedom is the freedom to do whatever the government says isn't against the law". Got some minds intrigued.

So I axed some questions, for example, about "contracts signed by your grandfather, are you obligated to fulfill it?" and "when a group of individuals come together, does the group suddenly have more rights than those individuals did?" and you would FRIGHTENED how many were thinking YES was the answer to both. Of course, "Yes, in certain cases..." but it's still not a childlike common snense "NO".

I'm so scared for my kids growing up in this flock of sheeple...

[Dirt]

(one more quote, I just had to include this since it is SO FAR OFF BASE from what Mr. Icke is really all about...)


The advocates of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism will seldom if ever reveal their real agenda. They prefer to work in the shadows, using coded language, building patiently for a new and improved Reich. The threat they pose is no less real simply because it doesn't register on the radar screen. Yet.

All we need to do is look at Austria to see why these politics have to be confronted, isolated and defeated, and the price we will all pay if they are not.


Of course, can any of you guys think of any group of individuals that uses "coded language" to euphemistically hide the TRUE NATURE of their activities? :rolleyes:

[KaosTheory]

DD,

Back on the subject of Aids and Cancer. Here is a link to some excellent background info on AIDS.

www.duesberg.com/index.html

The so called, AIDS Virus, was not created except in the imagination. AIDS is not caused by a virus. To date there has been no data to back up the claim that AIDS is caused by a virus or that a common retro virus could cause the symptoms of AIDS. HIV is a common retro virus just like the flu virus. Genetically they are very similar and reproduce exactly the same way. HIV (Human Imuno Virus) is called HIV but the virus itself has yet to actually cause AIDS. What really causes AIDS then?

See above link.

I have read a lot about cancer too. I have read about B17 and also the successful treatments using oxidative therapy.

KT

[Joe Took red pill]

I think David Ickes lizard people schtick is his way of not ending up a victim of arkanside. He dosen't talk about it much,just enough so he isn't considered a threat but a nusiance to the globalists. I did however read somewhere about him believing Jesus was a myth based on some other cultures folklore.If i remember the cite i will try to reference it for anyone. On the aides thing i heard Alex Jones say on many occassions that aids was a disease created by the dept of the Navy for whatever its worth.

[KaosTheory]

Guest-Joe said:

On the aides thing i heard Alex Jones say on many occassions that aids was a disease created by the dept of the Navy for whatever its worth.

I hear a lot of people say this but when you look at the facts, their opinion just doesn't hold up. There is no evidence to support the pathogen theory. "HIV" does not pass any of Koch's Postulates.

On the contrary, the data on AIDS matches more closely to a toxin related disease.

Koch's postulates
pl.n.

The series of conditions that must be met in order to establish a microorganism as the causative agent of a disease, namely: it must be present in all cases of the disease; inoculations of its pure cultures must produce the disease in susceptible animals; and from these it must again be isolated and propagated in pure cultures.

The Duesberg link says it all really.

KT

[Darren Dirt]

KaosTheory said:

The Duesberg link says it all really.

KT

WOW...

www.duesberg.com/papers/pddrgenetica.html

In view of this, we propose that the long-term consumption of recreational drugs (such as cocaine, heroin, nitrite inhalants, and amphetamines) and prescriptions of DNA chain-terminating and other anti-HIV drugs, cause all AIDS diseases in America and Europe that exceed their long-established, national backgrounds, i.e. >95%. Chemically distinct drugs cause distinct AIDS-defining diseases; for example, nitrite inhalants cause Kaposi's sarcoma, cocaine causes weight loss, and AZT causes immunodeficiency, lymphoma, muscle atrophy, and dementia.

The drug hypothesis predicts that AIDS:

(1) is non-contagious;
(2) is non-random, because 85% of AIDS causing drugs are used by males, particularly sexually active homosexuals between 25 and 49 years of age, and
(3) would follow the drug epidemics chronologically.


I recall hearing or reading somewhere that those who went on the "AIDS cocktail"* or even took certain "AIDS tests" seemed to have the serious symptoms kick in, i.e. it's not as simple as the existence of a so-called virus. IMHO, the "drug hypothesis" linked above makes a lot more sense than some theoretical virus trigger which goes against the criteria of a true viral infection.

(...Sez a man not trained in any way in medicine in biology )

*quite a claim, the above, "AZT causes immunodeficiency"...

[sagas4]

Hmmmm. . . .

So Nixon was right when he started a "War on Drugs" in order to "protect" people.

[sagas4]

Guest-Dirt said:

In my personal and fallible and limited opinion... and "for education purposes only" I offer this...


Cancer: a vitamin deficiency not unlike scurvy (hint: eat the seeds in your apples, oranges, and especially plums and nectarines and plums - a slightly bitter almond taste, but that is one part of our diet that "civilized" humanity has for some reason excluded, yet animals break open the hard insides of these fruits just to eat the seed!)

DD,

This is not medical advice, and is for informational purposes only.

Among other many varied careers I have done at one time or another, one was in the medical field for a few years. I wanted to be a doctor or pharmacist at one time but could not raise the money for medical school and did not want to take out loans to finance school. I worked as a Pharm-Tech and part of the responsibilities at one time (besides mixing the radio active chemotherapy compounds) was research and support on the poison hotline. If someone called we had a support staff at the hospital to dig in the books quickly while the doctor or pharmacist was on the phone. If memory serves me correctly, a "bitter almond taste" is a sure sign of Cyanide. It is a simple chemical, just one Carbon & one Nitrogen atom (CN ), but to those who can detect its faint taste, it has a bitter almond flavor. Cyanide is a lethal toxin and can be readily found in apple seeds; the pits of plums, apricots, cherries, and peaches; plus certain leaves. Ingestion of less than 0.1 gram of cyanide is sufficient to cause sudden death of a human.

Eat those pits at your own risk!

P.S. I am not disclaiming anything you have suggested and am also convinced that most diseases are some form of nutritional deficiency. It is interesting though that the FDA claims that only drugs can cure disease. Hmmm, people have been suffering from many ills for thousands of years and native people of the americas were and are well aquainted with certain natural plant substances that have a healing effect upon certain ailments. Makes one wonder why all of the sudden in the last 75 years or so, plants are no longer capeable of affecting certain ailments, even though they have been proven over thousands of years of beneficial use. Well the FDA and the Canadian Equivalent say that only drugs produced by drug companies can cure disease so it must be more believable than thousands of years of proof through usage right ??

And by the way, animals can eat some things we cannot, at least without processing. A good example I was taught as a kid is acorns from an oak tree. Squirrels eat these things like crazy, but they contain high ammounts of tannic acid which can lead to kidney failure among other things in humans. We can eat the acorns but they must be processed (usually by boiling) to remove the tannic acid. They can then be dried and ground into a meal like flour.

I wonder how long it will be before oak trees are banned like hemp was (although it has little THC and won't have the same effect as cannibus). Oh that's right oak trees don't compete with the cotton, petroleum, food, paper, and a host of other big industries that buy politicians in the U.S. and Canada.