Louis Ewing says AiLL won't work in Washington

[PANICPASS]

I have one of Luis Ewing's pleadings, but I do not know if he used it in court because the format does not conform to any court rules. It's a Motion for Discovery-- Retraxit As An Offer of Proof. I do not know if this was an actual case, or whether this case was something he dreamed up, but what is weird about this pleading is that it appears that the City of Auburn was the plaintiff and Luis was the Defendant. He turns those positions around in this pleading and places his name in the plaintiff's position---not as plaintiff but as "Involuntary Trustee" , and City of Auburn is in the defendant's position as "Plaintiffs in Collusion." The pleading is a Motion for Discovery/ "Retraxit As An Offer of Proof ER(103(2)."

The first paragraph starts like this:

To Plaintiffs: Since the proclivity of an adversery is to avoid answering, the following questions are answered on your behalf to preclude any stalemate arising from your failure to respond although you may wish to enter specific and detailed objections in the event we are not in accord.

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From what I have heard, Luis has the attitude of a belligerent. He knows the court is not real-- it is and if he could get away with it, he would title his pleadings something like this:

IN THE PRETEND COURT OF CITY OF FIFE
IN AND FOR THE PRETEND COUNTY OF PIERCE
IN AND FOR THE PRETEND STATE OF WASHINGTON

This is just what I have heard about Luis... so take it with a grain of salt that it is true.

[marc stevens]

Guest-PANICPASS said:

I have one of Luis Ewing's pleadings, but I do not know if he used it in court because the format does not conform to any court rules. It's a Motion for Discovery-- Retraxit As An Offer of Proof. I do not know if this was an actual case, or whether this case was something he dreamed up, but what is weird about this pleading is that it appears that the City of Auburn was the plaintiff and Luis was the Defendant. He turns those positions around in this pleading and places his name in the plaintiff's position---not as plaintiff but as "Involuntary Trustee" , and City of Auburn is in the defendant's position as "Plaintiffs in Collusion." The pleading is a Motion for Discovery/ "Retraxit As An Offer of Proof ER(103(2)."

The first paragraph starts like this:

To Plaintiffs: Since the proclivity of an adversery is to avoid answering, the following questions are answered on your behalf to preclude any stalemate arising from your failure to respond although you may wish to enter specific and detailed objections in the event we are not in accord.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From what I have heard, Luis has the attitude of a belligerent. He knows the court is not real-- it is and if he could get away with it, he would title his pleadings something like this:

IN THE PRETEND COURT OF CITY OF FIFE
IN AND FOR THE PRETEND COUNTY OF PIERCE
IN AND FOR THE PRETEND STATE OF WASHINGTON

This is just what I have heard about Luis... so take it with a grain of salt that it is true.

This is just patriot type ranting. It still involves guns and force.

[PANICPASS]

It comes across as involving "guns and force" because he is somewhat boxing them in, ie., forcing them to answer. What else do you suggest when government won't answer you.

[marc stevens]

Guest-PANICPASS said:

It comes across as involving "guns and force" because he is somewhat boxing them in, ie., forcing them to answer. What else do you suggest when government won't answer you.

No no, you have misunderstood. I was referring to the courts as the major people using guns and force. But you are correct when you apply it to patriot arguments also. When and if you buy and read my book Adventures in Legal Land you will see that it is wrong to initiate the use of violence. It is not the libertarian thing to do.

[weis]

marc said:

it is wrong to initiate the use of violence. It is not the libertarian thing to do.

Marc, do you mean that w/in the context of "government" or with general applicability?

I mean if someone is trying to break into my house & they don't leave when I tell them & they continue to proceed against me with impending physical force, I'm not going to be quoting Bible verses, that's for sure.

Micheal Badnarik said it best in the debate between him & Pink-Party candidate Cobb
"I believe in the death penalty when someone is trying to hold you up at the ATM"

[marc stevens]

Guest-weis said:

Marc, do you mean that w/in the context of "government" or with general applicability?

I mean if someone is trying to break into my house & they don't leave when I tell them & they continue to proceed against me with impending physical force, I'm not going to be quoting Bible verses, that's for sure.

Micheal Badnarik said it best in the debate between him & Pink-Party candidate Cobb
"I believe in the death penalty when someone is trying to hold you up at the ATM"

You overlooked the key word in my post. Initiate. Initiating the use of force and violence is wrong. Self defense is not included in the initiation. It is a consequence of that initiation. Big difference.

[Joe Took red pill]

With apologies to all dicussors and discussies,i have heard luis ewing say disparging remarks about patriot gurus calling them that patriot gurus,that they have seminars and never won cases,he dosen't believe in the strawman arguement ect. and says patriots are wrong when they say judges violate the law by not following it says patriots are jailed because they yell or threaten judges or try to use arguments after being told to stop pursuing them. I have yet to find his website,i have read accounts of his temper and the people that had gripes with him did not follow what he told him to do. Someone was going to write something for him but was angry with mr ewing of monetary issues. The only problem i have with some opinions by some members are too idealistic and yes Mark does describe it perfectly with the alice in wonderland comparison and agree with the fraud, deceit,evil cartels called states and municipalities,people need money to do this.Mark has his book and seminars.Luis has his consulting or whatever it is but like they say my enemies enemy is my friend.I have to deal with harassment from cops all day long they run my plate follow me on a daily basis.My job involes driving about 300 miles a day so for me its not an abstract concept. I'm to the point to where i wish i had paid attention in school and i could have some desk job or work from home making crafted clowns.But seriously both Mark and Luis and whoever else stands up and fights and exposes the scam and keeps them from one red cent is fine by me. If i hear Luis on radio i will call and ask him if he considers himself a patriot. Personally its like mark says about states its a name of fictious thing. Merely calling what Mark does in a court a(Method) does not take away from what he does,he makes his motives clear and if someone does them it further exposes the scam.

[Rizzotherat]

Guest-Joe said:

With apologies to all dicussors and discussies,i have heard luis ewing say disparging remarks about patriot gurus calling them that patriot gurus,that they have seminars and never won cases,he dosen't believe in the strawman arguement ect. and says patriots are wrong when they say judges violate the law by not following it says patriots are jailed because they yell or threaten judges or try to use arguments after being told to stop pursuing them. I have yet to find his website,i have read accounts of his temper and the people that had gripes with him did not follow what he told him to do. Someone was going to write something for him but was angry with mr ewing of monetary issues. The only problem i have with some opinions by some members are too idealistic and yes Mark does describe it perfectly with the alice in wonderland comparison and agree with the fraud, deceit,evil cartels called states and municipalities,people need money to do this.Mark has his book and seminars.Luis has his consulting or whatever it is but like they say my enemies enemy is my friend.I have to deal with harassment from cops all day long they run my plate follow me on a daily basis.My job involes driving about 300 miles a day so for me its not an abstract concept. I'm to the point to where i wish i had paid attention in school and i could have some desk job or work from home making crafted clowns.But seriously both Mark and Luis and whoever else stands up and fights and exposes the scam and keeps them from one red cent is fine by me. If i hear Luis on radio i will call and ask him if he considers himself a patriot. Personally its like mark says about states its a name of fictious thing. Merely calling what Mark does in a court a(Method) does not take away from what he does,he makes his motives clear and if someone does them it further exposes the scam.

Well stated Joe. It seems you did pay attention in school, you write well. Point well taken.

I hear that making crafted clowns brings in a lot of money and reduces stress! ;D

[tharrin]

So the problem becomes this.: Those in supposed power will never be unseated as they have no opposing force to remove them from their lofty towers. As long as, no one can push them off their throne physically, the status remains quo.

[lazerwood]

So there's the dilemma. By nature, "good" doesn't initiate violence or force others to do it's bidding. "Evil" takes advantage of this situation, knowing "good" by nature just wants to be left alone. Evil can get its way because good generally "complies" with "evils" demands, prefering not to have violence initiated against same. If "good" acted like evil it would cease to be "good". Retaliating with violence makes all concerned simply acting out what takes place in the animal kingdom...the strongest surviving.

It seems to me that the only answer will be in the "long term". "Good" has to get "wise" and stop "contracting" with evil. Good has to be at least as knowledgeable as evil and ever vigilant. If the majority are "good", and use their knowledge, evil will tend to lose their "audience". Once in the minority, with very few "co-operating" with them, it would become increasingly difficult to carry out their "plans".

Of course, the above few sentences cannot be an all inclusive airtight blueprint toward solving the "problem". My statements are just "outlining" our situation IMHO

[KaosTheory]

Pretty lucid there Laser and very philosophical. Next step would be to discuss the actual meaning of "good". Seems easy enough but the problem is that we all have our own interpretations of it and each of us believes that we are the one who is right.

Welcome to my version chaos theory.

[lazerwood]

Kaos,

Yes, my few sentences could not possibly cover every "angle" of the situation we face. My "good and evil" , in this context, basically is Ernies' quote on Marc's homepage. You know, "there are two kinds of people..." ;D

[Soldier of Truth]

KaosTheory said:

Pretty lucid there Laser and very philosophical. Next step would be to discuss the actual meaning of "good". Seems easy enough but the problem is that we all have our own interpretations of it and each of us believes that we are the one who is right.

Welcome to my version chaos theory.

I, myself, do not buy into the "interpretation" theory. There is still a truth. If there is an accident, though those that observed it account of the incident my "vary," the "fact" remains that there was an accident. It is those "facts" that must prevail, good or evil. It is the key to liberty. Truth is so powerful, that you can not lie without it, but Truth does not need the lie.

[KaosTheory]

Guest-Soldier said:

I, myself, do not buy into the "interpretation" theory. There is still a truth. If there is an accident, though those that observed it account of the incident my "vary," the "fact" remains that there was an accident. It is those "facts" that must prevail, good or evil. It is the key to liberty. Truth is so powerful, that you can not lie without it, but Truth does not need the lie.

Heh heh....case in point. Is it not your interpretation that "interpretation" theory is not valid? Are you not certain that your interpretation is the correct one and those with different interpretations are incorrect?

You are only an observer in this world just like everyone else. One day you found yourself living, breathing and conscious in this realm we call reality. All of your "knowledge"and or"beliefs" is/are the result of observation received through your senses and interpratation of that data. Are you 100% certain that you are not dreaming right now?

The other day I was walking through a forest and a tree fell down right in front of me......and it didn't make a sound....lol.

KT

[Joe Took red pill]

Does anyone know a site of luis Ewings work or documents. A flute without holes is not a flute,a donut without holes is a Danish.I just had to share the last bit of knowledge.