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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Mar 7, 2005 3:39:14 GMT -5
The same could be said for any infant child, or quadrapoligic. To feed, or not to feed! That's the question? Yes,that is the question.If YOU voluntarily want to,then should ANYone else stop you?However,if you DON`T want to feed ANYone else(yes, ANYONE else),should someone FORCE you? J M |
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Post by learnin2 on Mar 7, 2005 8:16:24 GMT -5
Yes,that is the question.If YOU voluntarily want to,then should ANYone else stop you?However,if you DON`T want to feed ANYone else(yes, ANYONE else),should someone FORCE you? J M That is why we define these activities as abuse, neglect, and murder. Should she be murdered, because someone dosen't want to be fed her anymore? |
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Post by gonopodium on Mar 7, 2005 9:47:45 GMT -5
Who pays for the food? Do you want to pay for it? Gonopodium Yes,that is the question.If YOU voluntarily want to,then should ANYone else stop you?However,if you DON`T want to feed ANYone else(yes, ANYONE else),should someone FORCE you? J M |
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Post by denizen on Mar 7, 2005 10:31:22 GMT -5
Yes,that is the question.If YOU voluntarily want to,then should ANYone else stop you?However,if you DON`T want to feed ANYone else(yes, ANYONE else),should someone FORCE you? J M Way to cut right down to the essence JM !! |
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Mar 7, 2005 12:13:42 GMT -5
That is why we define these activities as abuse, neglect, and murder. Should she be murdered, because someone dosen't want to be fed her anymore? Who does the "we" refer to ? J M |
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Post by surfsup on Mar 7, 2005 12:48:55 GMT -5
Seems you guys are swiming thru the minutae of word and grammer gymnastics. This is a person that due to circumstances beyond her control is in this ordeal. escence or not, this is a human being and there is a likely "lodge" member parading around in a black nightie who can not wait for his 15 minutes of fame to set legal precedense with his "honorable, legal,carefully considered case rulling" that is at the core of this. When your deep in the barrel at Pipeline surfin' you better keep your eye on the opening, cause if you don't you will be picked off ! everything else around you is un- important, be aware, but stay totally focused  |
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Mar 7, 2005 13:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by surfsup on Mar 7, 2005 20:05:31 GMT -5
Just simple human compassion for someone less able to live a life of self determination. and no, if she is cared for that would not make it all better
it all goes back to what I have stated several times in this thread. vampires in black robes or other attire are real! I don't like bloodsuckers in any form or fashion period.
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Post by Neo on Mar 11, 2005 14:34:47 GMT -5
In today's news ...
Schiavo turns down $1M offer
TAMPA (AP) — A man fighting to have a feeding tube removed from his brain-damaged wife on Friday rejected a California businessman's offer to pay him $1 million to give up his right to decide her medical treatment.
Thursday's offer, which the husband's attorney labeled "offensive," came hours after a judge refused to let the state's social services agency intervene — a move that would have delayed next week's scheduled removal of the tube.
Other such offers, including one for $10 million, had already been made and rejected by Michael Schiavo, said his attorney, George Felos.
Terri Schiavo's parents are trying to keep her alive, but Michael Schiavo contends he had once promised his wife he would not keep her alive by artificial means before she suffered a heart attack 15 years ago. Now 41, she has lived since then in what court-appointed doctors call a persistent vegetative state.
Even if the husband did walk away, Felos said, there is still a court order requiring removal of the tube at 1 p.m. next Friday. A judge ordered that the feedings be stopped after finding "clear and convincing" evidence that she would not want to be kept alive in her current state.
Judge George Greer denied a request by the state Department of Children & Families to delay that order for 60 days so it can investigate allegations of abuse and neglect against Michael Schiavo.
The judge said the allegations had already been investigated and found to be groundless. He said the agency was apparently trying to pull an end run around the court by getting involved at this late stage.
The case has drawn international attention, particularly among religious conservatives, who are supporting the woman's parents.
San Diego businessman Robert Herring, who founded an electronics company and later a cable and satellite channel, said he felt "compelled" to try to have the husband transfer the legal right to decide his wife's medical treatment to the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.
"I believe very strongly that there are medical advances happening around the globe that very shortly could have a positive impact on Terri's condition," Herring said.
Herring's offer is valid until Monday, according to a statement from his attorney, Gloria Allred. The money has been deposited into a trust account at Allred's Los Angeles law firm, the statement said.
Felos said his client would not consider any such proposals.
"Michael has said over and over again that this case is not about money for him," Felos said. "It's about carrying out his wife's wishes. There is no amount of money anyone can offer that will cause him to turn his back on his wife."
The Schindlers still have two issues before the state's 2nd District Court of Appeal, which has said it will rule next week. They also are looking to the Legislature and perhaps Congress for help; both have bills in the works that lawmakers say could save Terri Schiavo's life.
The Schindlers doubt their daughter had end-of-life wishes and have fought their son-in-law in court for nearly seven years to save her life. They also dispute that she is in a vegetative state, saying she laughs, cries, interacts with them and tries to speak.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Post by Harry on Mar 11, 2005 20:08:14 GMT -5
The Schindlers doubt their daughter had end-of-life wishes and have fought their son-in-law in court for nearly seven years to save her life. They also dispute that she is in a vegetative state, saying she laughs, cries, interacts with them and tries to speak.
The parents alone allege witnessing these things.
What does it mean to "save" this "life"?
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Post by learnin2 on Mar 12, 2005 1:28:17 GMT -5
The Schindlers doubt their daughter had end-of-life wishes and have fought their son-in-law in court for nearly seven years to save her life. They also dispute that she is in a vegetative state, saying she laughs, cries, interacts with them and tries to speak.The parents alone allege witnessing these things. What does it mean to "save" this "life"? Where are the facts, that she ever wished to die, and not be kept alive? |
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Post by denizen on Mar 17, 2005 8:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 17, 2005 20:34:19 GMT -5
Basis for current attempt by parents to prevent the slow starvation/dehydration death of a woman of whom there is no evidence of a "let me die" order - Plain and simple: denial of due process. terrisfight.org/documents/031605scousmotion.pdf |
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Post by Harry on Mar 18, 2005 19:42:47 GMT -5
From today's AP dispatch:
Court-appointed physicians testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities.
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Post by learnin2 on Mar 18, 2005 20:41:01 GMT -5
There it is, justifiable homaside. I, the black dress wearing super lawyer, order you, the hospital staff, to starve this woman to death. So sayith I!
If you think about it, the people in our country that wear dresses, are allowed to commit justifiable homaside everyday, with impunity. I get it now, all power and authority over the lives of other human beings, comes from wearing a dress!
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