Is there such a thing as Ownership

[sagas4]

NnonEntity,

Awesome!

I also believe we are in agreement. In fact agree with the all of the previous post with 1 minor diferentiation on language. If you look at websters often you will find multiple definitions of words. Very similar yet progressively imprecise from old to new. It is almost like there is a conspiracy to water down the language which is already abstract enough. (BoyntonStu had a thread in the first month Marc had this board online where we discussed this issue in some detail).

Tsun Tsu said that "those who loose their language loose their liberty". A good way to indirectly control the masses would be to control the language, education, money, etc. It is a much easier way to herd cats than has been done in the past.

Thanks for the kind words, but in all sincerity, I'm not that smart and my thinking and knowledge has evolved a great deal by participating in the discussions here with individuals like yourself, Marc, Judgemental, KT, Weis, DarrenDirt, and others who post.

I also need to get a copy of the book BStu mentioned called The Tyranny of Words. He said it would change the way we perceive everything. (If someone here who has it wants to shed some light please start a thread). Buckminster Fuller went through a time where he vowed not to speak until he could find some meaning or purpose for his life due to a personal tragedy and the words he spoke just before it happened. I wish I could have met him. I had a friend who knew him and she said that one sould spend some time reading some of his philosophical writings; especially about the event and what came of it.

[NonEntity]

Sagas, The book (Tyranny of Words, Stuart Chase) arrived yesterday (used, through Amazon.com) and I'm reading it now. WOW.

[1938 - Harvest Books edition, page 14]... He is the one creature who is able to accumulate verifiable knowledge about himself and his environment, and yet he is the one who is habitually deluded. No other animal produces verbal monsters in his head and projects them on the world outside his head. Language is apparently a sword which cuts both ways. With its help man can conquer the unknown; with it he can grievously wound himself.

[page 63]Language, we sometimes assume, is primarily the expression of thought by means of speech sounds. Granting that the observations of Malinowski are well taken, it appears that the reverse is nearer the facts: language as it has developed is less influenced by reflection than thought is influenced by the accepted structure of language. The barbarous primitive substances, entities, and categories have left a deep mark upon more advanced philosophies and speculations. The word is still believed to cast a spell on the thing, and to have power in and of itself. ... Obscene words are very interesting semantically. If one says "sexual intercourse," people are not shocked. But if one articulates an old Anglo-Saxon word of four letters - which my publisher certainly would not tolerate here - most English-speaking persons become rigid with horror. Yet both symbols have precisely the same non-verbal act as referent. Both refer to an identical thing and should carry equal weight as synonyms. It is a strange language structure where X is respectable and normal if you use one symbol for it, but beyond perdition if you use another.

_{emphasis in the original}

I'm just scratching the surface of a fun and enlightening book!

And now... back to my book.

[tharrin]

This has been an intriguing display of mental prowess on behalf of all contributors to this thread. There are not many people who readily embrace subjects of this caliber. Unfortunately for the majority of us who thoughtfully set down our concepts here in the forum and find some semblance of intelligent conversation, there are twenty score more that cannot, will not or won't be bothered to try to understand what we are trying to tell them.

Even family members can be ever so frustrating to talk to and will reject outright what you say but then with the training they have had who wants to look outside the corral? They should have called this planet, Moo.