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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 8, 2005 20:29:39 GMT -5
I understand the rationale in that the woman is free to do what she wants with her body because it is her life & her choice. However, does someone who gets aborted also get deprived of life, liberty, & thus the abibity to acquire property?
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Post by Rizzotherat on Jan 8, 2005 20:40:10 GMT -5
This is a question that will ignite furror in many.. Are you looking for a sterile amoral response?
(notice I said amoral, not immoral)
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 8, 2005 21:22:26 GMT -5
This is probably the best response you can get HERE
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 4:33:13 GMT -5
weishaupt1776, Could(and will ) you quote that link verbatim? J M
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Post by weis on Jan 9, 2005 5:59:11 GMT -5
If you click it, an ad pops up, & when you click past it, the replies get updated as they come in. I assume your request is based on the fact you have dial up. Here is a good one: I like the idea of coming up with ads & abstinence training as he suggested. Kinda promotes Voluntaryism, doesn't it. People desire to choose life outf their heart & mind.
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 6:16:25 GMT -5
The self-evident answer has got to be "yes".In the same way as those whose life ended in the Asian tsumani have been "deprived".
Are you asking if someONE (rather than someTHING) is doing the "depriving"?
J M
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Post by weis on Jan 9, 2005 7:04:07 GMT -5
The implication is that someONE is doing the depriving which is 95-100% voluntary while a tsunami is someTHING that does the depriving which is 100% involuntary. Even if the elite voluntarily orchestrated this tsunami with HAARP technology or those tsunami bombs, in which case they are the mass murderers, the citizens still couldn't have chosen not to have a tsunami. Maybe we should ask the U.N. to provide a HAARP menu which lists a variety of natural disasters the public can choose from. Even so, no one forces an abortion on anyone unless it's in China. So to narrow it down, I'm talking about abortion in America.
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 7:16:09 GMT -5
So may I be so bold as to rephrase your original question as follows ?
"However, does someone who gets aborted also get deprived,by their mother/gestational carrier, of life, liberty, & thus the ability to acquire property?"
J M
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 9, 2005 7:21:14 GMT -5
Kinda cool. I like the reversal, now I must answer.
I believe the Gestation carrier makes the choice to deprive, & then the doctor is the henchman who does the depriving.
However, I don't want to leave the point a few threads back regarding the voluntaryism via advertisements & education. This is how we can affect change without the government interfering.
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Post by BoyntonStu on Jan 9, 2005 7:51:53 GMT -5
Instead of abortion, I would rather see retroactive birth control.
BoyntonStu
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 8:06:50 GMT -5
I`m not sure what you mean by reversal.I was just trying to clarify the original question.How about?....
"However, does someone who gets aborted also get deprived,by their mother/gestational carrier/surgeon, of life, liberty, & thus the ability to acquire property?"
Use of the words "henchman" and "This is how we can affect change" seems to suggest that you are quite emotive about this topic? What,exactly, do you want to change?
J M
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 8:15:26 GMT -5
Instead of abortion, I would rather see retroactive birth control. BoyntonStu How retroactive?Have you got someone in mind? ;D Just kidding,let`s get back on topic. J M
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 9, 2005 8:29:06 GMT -5
I was just trying to clarify the original question. I like it, I thought it was coolWhat,exactly, do you want to change? With or without intention that question you ask above is misdirecting my statement[/u] [/ul]I didn't say or imply that I have the magical power to crawl into somebody's brain & force them to change. By non-violently, non-politically producing quality public service announcements & intelligently promoting reasonable abstinence classes, at our own cost, change is AFFECTED when people voluntarily make the choice to think differently due to alternative media being available. It is impossible for me to change anything but it is possible to affect change. Now if you did try to misdirect my statement, nice try, son.[/b]
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Post by JUDGE MENTAL on Jan 9, 2005 8:39:15 GMT -5
Not, at all.I was just trying to clarify(at least in my own mind) the question/statement.BTW,I think we should set the record straight for anyone who may "misdirect" that last word.You are not my parent/gestational carrier.........are you? ;D
J M
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Post by weishaupt1776 on Jan 9, 2005 8:45:22 GMT -5
No, & I appreciate the clarification. It helps my thought processes.
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