Freeborn
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In legal land armed robbery is ''taxation''
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Post by Freeborn on May 9, 2007 9:38:06 GMT -5
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Post by lummox2 on May 9, 2007 9:54:48 GMT -5
I don't understand all the fuss about this system. Initially it will be a nightmare, and for anyone who is a good upstanding "citizen" is toast forever. Anyone even vaguely interested in circumventing it will be able to do so (for a price, ofc) because of the usual principles of greed. It's actually great, the idiots will soon learn to lean on their system almost solely and then freedom is as simple as having a plausible extra identity. The dangerous time will be before they fully use it and get lazy and after they intorduce it. (About 1-2 years) Yes, they can identify you........by matching you to a person who has been put into the system by hand, which will be changable for enough cash. (Not that I advocate breaking the law  .) The security services will want loopholes for thier agents, and in the course of things these holes will become known. Now then! What the paranoids don't understand is that an equal system can be used by anyone else, going forward. A freedom loving individual can refuse to serve those working for the state, tags could be added to private files as regards the known actions of police etc in private systems. "Officer Barbrady, known racist, beater of prisoners, was involved in harrassing taxpayers" etc etc Sorry, officer, we don't serve your kind here. The potential for dealing with vriminals non violently is also huge with such a system. One does not put brakes on a volcano, I suggest buying grub for a BBQ instead. |
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 9, 2007 10:22:57 GMT -5
Nightmare? No, the fearmongering continues! Interesting collection of "free" press video footage and nonsensical unquestioned collectivist/statist verbiage. My personal fave starts @ 6:50  unable to vote, eh? Umm... good? ;D *sigh* This well-intentioned pay-triot type seems to have the silly idea that "federal agencies" are somehow legitimate and/or matter to the lives of free men and women... (the only concern I have is those "many companies [who] will refuse" the business of "non-citizens"  -- but the reality will probably be far less extreme than the state wishes us to fear. ) My *hope*, however, is that this does get pushed through and implemented -- thus making all those pragmatic "libertarian in name only" folks to get off the fence and actually truly unplug from the system, not get "numbered", no longer endorsing through participation the fraudulent system of violent control that they have strived to tame and exploit for "good"... Oh, and that this will happen to all those "vote for the lesser evil" folks too. The terrorcrats in the U S and A should check out what has happened in The Great White North when it comes to the so-called "gun registry". As the "legislators" and "executive" push harder for voluntary, "good citizen" compliance, the result will continue to be non-compliance galore! (compare en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequence#Examples ;D ) PS: ambitious website though -- but who is gonna remember that URL? |
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Post by lummox2 on May 9, 2007 10:49:54 GMT -5
One more thing. By openly fighting such measures you make yourself a target. I wouldn't be in any way shape or form surprised if half of these "warnings" were from the spooks.
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Post by Darren Dirt on May 9, 2007 11:01:46 GMT -5
One more thing. By openly fighting such measures you make yourself a target. Good point, and great timing -- check out the very-related "Superquote" I just posted Also remember folks, voting is a form of TERRORISM (since it is defined in 18 U.S.C. ยง 2232b(g)(5) as any action "calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct." Not only is casting a political vote an inherently (though implied) violent act of coercion (i.e. endorsing the use of deadly force to "get your way"), but even ignoring that, how many people vote "against" the incumbent... as "retaliation" to their horrible previous "government conduct"?  |
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.) The security services will want loopholes for thier agents, and in the course of things these holes will become known. 
-- but the reality will probably be far less extreme than the state wishes us to fear. )