E-gold Indicted For Money Laundering

[ayanrand]

E-gold Indicted For Money Laundering...The Ham Sandwich could not be reached for comment

www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2007/April/07_crm_301.html

"If you're an e-gold user then you've no doubt heard the news - about this latest attack on "alternative"
financial transaction systems.

E-gold is the net's oldest alternative payment system and has provided an essential service for hundreds of thousands of seekers of financial privacy.

However, that's NOT how the state thinks of it. To the state e-gold represents a threat, a threat to the hegemony of fiat money.

The "crime" of money laundering is a fiction - dreamed up by faceless bureaucrats and totalitarian-minded politicians as a way of eliminating financial privacy.

Of course, as a financial transaction system which offers anonymity, e-gold also attracts unsavoury types.
This is perfectly natural and expected.

There can be no world without crime, and trying to create one is a fantasy.

Freedom carries the risk of being done by a criminal - and that's the price we must pay for freedom.

But the "state" wants to protect us from such things, and has created this new class of crime - money laundering - which has the potential to make everyone criminals."

[NonEntity]

"Law = Opinion + Gun" - Marc Stevens

[dentistsugardust]

Where is the law that says I can't barter with my own means of?
I want to trade using carrots with i2 and soon after dirt dog wants to be involved and so on. where is the damn forbidden law???

The masses don't understand. It's all below the radar and yet above our heads. how do we teach the people what things mean?

[Neo]

If "there is no law" they make one up. Criminals can't be caught that own the cage.

[eye2i2hear]

dentistsugardust said:

The masses don't understand. It's all below the radar and yet above our heads. how do we teach the people what things mean?

The best explanation for this "below the radar" that I have heard, is what I've heard called "parental transference". Hence, the phrase "Founding Fathers" (and in xristianity "Father Abraham/Father God"). [you did bow in reverence and awe to worship/worth-ship at The Name/commerce, right?!]

A psychological phenomena --a very naturally-based one easily entwined/manipulated. Some reason this is why religions ("secular" and "divine") seek to "teach" children at the earliest of ages-- the U.S.'s "pre-K" and now Public day-care. Ditto the typical xristian day-care preference and typical home-schooling, at least in the U.S. The xristian bible puts this as "Train up a child in the way that he should go and he will not depart from it."

As children, we are 'born' with the very natural, psychological dependence upon our parent's protection, leading, and guidance. Fathers then being the first potential control freaks-- but fathers were raised by their what? Mothers.

How we get 'children' out of this psychological loop then is a challenge-- thus the challenge. Instruction in healthy thinking, reasoning, and rationality-rather-than-Nationality ie Homeland security (which is in reality insecurity for the "wards of The State" aka "subjects" aka "Citizens") seems the way to maturity. Psychological maturity via overcoming indoctrination through replacing ignorance seems the answer.

Spoiled brat and generally scared of "the dark" (ie freedom) children are generally long-term works to change. Most citizens act like primary care pupils in one of two forms: 1) playground bullies, or 2) cling to their mother's coat-tails.

But as many here can testify, it can (and must?) be overcome. As most pop-religions usurp, its generally a matter of shining the light (truth) into the darkness (brainwashing/indoctrination).

If "there is no law" they make one up. Criminals can't be caught that own the cage.

As Neo notes it here, one might consider comparing this to the typical Joe & Cindy Citizen home (land) environment of The State. Where there is "The House" rule(s) aka "legislation". And when the dung/crapola hits the fan, with ignorant Parents (aka control freaks) its always "do as I say, not as I do" and "because I said so!". Who are "the wards" to be trying to (legislative) act like "grown-ups"?! Why, its un-natural!! See the psychological perversion/transference ie psychosis? And for how many generations now perpetuated?! Like founding father, like son... (especially the "chosen" favorites)

--mye2cents worth

[marc stevens]

Always nice to wake up and read I'm blind.

[dentistsugardust]

Great statement, Marc
sarcastic and yet pathetic as we can't feel the velocity while we're falling so far from freedom's grace

[lummox2]

That reminds me. Someone lent Stevie Wonder a cheesegrater. he said it was the best book he ever read.

Regardless, everyone who likes authority likes it because they can have some. Any tie to religion is kinda false, because atheist families can say "my way or the highway" just the same as a religious one.

In fact I would argue that without a seperate moral framework (possibly the model presented by Stefan Moleneux or some other fictional guide such as "the law") atheist families are more likely to go down the will to power route.

It would certainly explain why dumb secular subjectivist atheism is encouraged by the state's education system. People with no principles are easier to push around, and ones who believe they have no afterlife are much less likely to stand on any principles they do have.

[NonEntity]

lummox2 said:

In fact I would argue that without a seperate moral framework (possibly the model presented by Stefan Moleneux or some other fictional guide such as "the law") atheist families are more likely to go down the will to power route.

This reminded me of a blog post I ran across recently which I think you may very well enjoy.

- NonE

[dentistsugardust]

I almost died LOl hell Yeah funny. I can't take it anymore

"That reminds me. Someone lent Stevie Wonder a cheesegrater. he said it was the best book he ever read."

where in the hell did u get that one. lol lol lol crazy great

[eye2i2hear]

With any due apologies to the thread author, for our thread snatch here...

lummox2 said:

It would certainly explain why dumb secular subjectivist atheism is encouraged by the state's education system.

Yeah, them dumb Statists.
-- dumb like a wolf.
What, you don't think they've read The (Revelation) Book(s)?* [hint: it must get "worse and worse" in the "end times" = "rapture"; "it" including "persecution" & "one world government"; and just Who supposedly persecuted The Assembly (aka "Church") historically/through the ages?] *[not to even get into whether those of like mind were the authors of such, as the genesis!?]

One of the oldest con traps in the world; tell them what to believe and then give it to 'em. One guy out front selling fire extinguishers while his buddy's around back starting a fire.
Cui bono?

It is my opinion (yes, opinion) that the State education majority's "push" is less atheist and more agnostic-- or simply "non-theist" (neutral). But then, when you consider 501.c.3 $tatus and other perks for government licensed ministers (the most real "prime" ministers?) the fox and the henhouse are progressing quite nicely.
That and the perspective that its seldom the majority's desire that's carried out in actuality and more the minority with the purse strings.

And if we wish to consider "subjective", how 'bout what's "officially" THE theist Book if the school should include such?

People with no principles are easier to push around, and ones who believe they have no afterlife are much less likely to stand on any principles they do have.

First, I can agree with the first half of this statement. But the last half is subjective.

How many individuals that (say they) believe in an afterlife act like it when that life is actually threatened by The State (or otherwise)? My 16+ year experience among such individuals says its a miniscual (sp?) number; and certainly not any higher than among atheist/agnostics I personally know and have observed in dealing with The State.
Actions speak louder than words (professions of belief) its said; phrased more spiritually-specific as "by their fruits you shall know them".

Regarding said principles "stand", its sort of like those with "the blood to wash away all their sins=violation of principles" . Hey, they can't help it (original sin) when they violate it and they've got instant forgiveness. 7 hail Mary's & indulge me. Wow, who needs to be concerned 'bout principles?! But of course we can talk the talk 'bout walking the walk. [sort of like a "believer" buddy of mine sexing (f-ing) a "theist" lady friend, where he has to sneak in and park his car in the garage, lest other "believers" see them; "praise the lord" come sunday in the choir-- and gettin' that income tax refund back in the mail! Render unto Caesar & obey the government & and walk by faith!]

Generalizations.... aren't they just grand.
NonE reminds me-- lets just deal with each individual.

The "no afterlife = no principles life" generalization is subjective at best. For some (if not most) it may be just as easy to grasp that this life is all there is and therefore work all the harder to make it the best that they can. And can therein leave it for the children.

After all, the so-called afterlife is right up there with winning the lottery as far as insurance. [after all, some say The Book "means what it says" when it says only a 144,000 will get in!] NonE's admonition works nicely here as well: know personally any individual that can factually prove any one gets this afterlife? Believe in an afterlife, believe the Government is here to protect you. At least believe Governments are "God's ministers".

Are atheist/agnostics mostly narcist nihilists (*shiver*: defined by some dictionaries as "anarchists"! *shiver-shiver*) piles of jello; anymore than all theist religious are cop outs (or pro cops)?

[eye2i2hear]

... on the far lighter side (and how timely that I just got this in an email):

One day God was looking down at Earth and saw all of the rascally behavior that was going on. So He called one of His angels and sent the angel to Earth for a time.
When he returned, he told God, "Yes, it is bad on Earth; 95% are misbehaving and only 5% are not!"

God was not pleased. So He decided to e-mail the 5% who were being good, because He wanted to encourage them.... give them a little something to help them keep going.

Do you know what the e-mail said?







OK, I was just wondering; I didn't get one either...

[NonEntity]

Shhh.... everyone pipe down. We've awakened Marc!

- NonE ;D

[lummox2]

Aye, fair enough. I see no reason to agree on everything.

[marc stevens]

eye2i2hear said:

NonE's admonition works nicely here as well: know personally any individual that can factually prove any one gets this afterlife?

Yes. I personally know three. One in particular I met last month here in the valley. He used to be a cop. Right before he left the force, he responded to a call and wound up being hit in the head with a hammer (?) so hard he died by the time they got him to the hospital. His heart stopped for at least 5 minutes and he was considered clinically dead. The medical staff was able to eventually get his heart to start again.

He was able to describe not only what was being done and said by the medical staff working on him, but he also described what friends and family were saying in another room in the hospital while he was dead.

Now go ahead eye2 and be a skeptic about the term "clinically dead". I'm sure you'll argue he wasn't really "dead" if he is able to recall what was being done and said. Fine, I'll give you that, but what about what his police partners and family testified to? They were not in the room with him. How could he describe what was happening in another room?

That is only one example, there are facts people can testify to (what was said, done, what people were wearing etc). I know 2 other people; one died on the operating table and the other was killed in a car accident. All three were considered dead by doctors/scientists. Medically/clinically dead and had their hearts revived.

Check out Holographic Universe: www.amazon.com/Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0060922583

It's hardly written by a bunch of silly, Bible thumping, faith idiots who are too stupid (or "blind") to stop worshiping the great invisible superman in the sky.