''government'' cannot and will not protect you.

[freeborn]

Another and simple proof that so called ''government'' have no duty in the protection of your life, liberty and of the pursuit of your own hapiness.

I don't know how people still fall for that kind of lie. Are not there enough proof that people calling themselves government proclaiming to protect your life of their satanism?

see link at Alex jones with the use of gov't's mind controled subject killer to do tragedy as happened recently at virginia tech in order to enforce gun control to speed their total slavery domination over human being, you and me.

www.infowars.com/articles/us/va_tech_shooting_massacre_proves_government_cannot_protect_you.htm

[dentistsugardust]

i won't even visit the link because I'm already so full of the catch-22 or rock in a hard place.
I'm not for violence, but logically I can say, what a difference it would have been if everyone of those souls had a firearm on their person. just as every automobile driver learns the rules of the roads including how to avoid potholes we'd be pretty advanced in the utilization of another "TOOL". after all, most anything can be used as a weapon.
I'm not enjoying the brainwash anymore

[NonEntity]

It would not have taken "every one of those souls," all it would have taken is ONE. That is what is so nice about freedom. We each can choose. Most would not have chosen to be armed, but it wouldn't have mattered because the likelihood is that ONE would have so chosen.

- NonE

[dentistsugardust]

I mean that you could look at an automobile as a dangerous weapon but it is because of the way we are nurtured in utilizing it is what makes the difference. The catch-22 was or is that, no we are not nurtured into thinking of driving as having a violent aspect, yet the only time we are dangerous is when we first take on learning how to. how often does someone say "eff the world and plow through living things?" shhhhh! don't wanna give anybody any ideas... anyway, the catch-22 is, I'm not a violent cat and i would assume and have a real faith in people that most are not also. we can carry our guns around and our cell phones and ipods and laptops but i know what you're thinking, it's not the same because these latter gadgets are continuously utilized whereas a gun is strictley a gadget for emergencies. I got a little pouch with gloves and such at the end of my CPR training, but i'd never carry it around. It's a bulging nuisance. But what if they were in the flow (guns) and were crossed over into the tech-age, combining for instance, a 30gb ipod nano/smith&wesson. the world would totally be a different place. it's hard to sell, especially to non-violent folks who'd never be encouraged to carry or purchase but it's about the options. what age do you start weapons training your kids and should they go packin' on grad night. damn the more I write, the deeper the hole. it's something to kick around for starters.
PS,
the first steps are always the hardest but just think, date rape would be a thing of the past. no more, "the way she was dressed", "she wanted it" LOL

[Neo]

what if thousands of al qaida crossed the borders and each got lots of guns and shot up thousands of places at once? gov't would say we need more money and more control to protect you. they can never be wrong.

[lummox2]

Only someone who was in the routine habit of pissing other people off would deny those other people weapons.

[NonEntity]

That's not true, Lummox. I would never deny you your weapons.

- NonE

[eye2i2hear]

thread title: "government" cannot and will not protect you

and even hinders you/us, on top of it all!

Like Suzanna Gratia Hupp says she found regarding the 1991 Luby's Cafeteria shootings in Texas:

On Saturday, October 16, 1991, Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's in Killeen. She had left her handgun in her car to comply with Texas state law at the time which forbade carrying a concealed weapon. When George Hennard ... opened fire on the patrons, Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her weapon, but it was in her vehicle.

[/b] Her father, Al Gratia tried to rush Hennard and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Instead she watched as Hennard killed her parents and twenty-one other persons. He also wounded some twenty others. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that had there been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant.[/color][/blockquote] Wikipedia [bold text mine -2i2]

In an interview this week, she stated emphatically that she believes if she'd not left her gun in the car, her parents (and most of the others?) would still be alive today. At least the outcome could have been drastically altered-- not to mention whether a "general" populace being armed (or not knowing who is or isn't at any given time) would greatly reduce many even thinking about trying the use of weapons against others. [psychopaths are of course another matter as to reasoning; but Ms. Hupp addresses that issue, a fact of life, as clearly as it can be]

sidebar:

Hupp appeared on the episode "Gun Control" of Penn & Teller's show Bullshit!, arguing the increased safety to the general public with concealed weapon laws.

Too bad she didn't argue No State period!

[dentistsugardust]

that's what the hippies referred to as "heavy, man". It blows my mind how we're so fast at " we should have done this or we need to pass legislation.... milling around passin' the buck and the calender marches on with no in real time result and then it happens again. who pressed repeat??? looks like Snoop Dogg has more sense then we do. we need to forget the band and jump on a wagon 'cause holdin' out for someone to tell us when and how to jump is getting pretty risky

[lummox2]

Bravo NonE!

;D

About the laws miraculously appearing?

They have them on the books, ready and waiting for the right event to come along.

[Darren Dirt]

nonentity said:

It would not have taken "every one of those souls," all it would have taken is ONE. That is what is so nice about freedom. We each can choose. Most would not have chosen to be armed, but it wouldn't have mattered because the likelihood is that ONE would have so chosen.

- NonE

But it's a way cooler, more freedom-honouring image in my mind picturing a few dozen of those "helpless victims" emerging from under/behind their desk packing heat. And the look on the MCshooter just before he is stopped...

Reminds me of at least a couple of great scenes in the graphic novel version of the L Neil Smith classic libertarian saga*.
example 1 , 2 ;D


* (all pages finished.)



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Contrast the events at VA Tech with the 1966 UT Tower shooting, which was until yesterday the deadliest shooting massacre on a University campus in America.

As soon as reports of a shooter atop the UT Tower surfaced, residents and police alike loaded up and headed straight for UT campus in a communal effort to take down the killer. Had these individuals not kept Whitman pinned back, countless more innocents would have perished.

Ray Martinez was an Austin police officer who wasn't even on duty when news of the shootings broke, but he immediately put on his uniform and rushed to the scene of the carnage.

Martinez, officer Houston McCoy, and officer Jerry Day hastily deputized citizen Allen Crum and charged up towards the observation deck to confront the killer. Martinez and McCoy burst in on Whitman, unloading eight rounds between them and silencing the shooter.

^ that says it all, don't it.

[freeborn]

lummox2 said:

Bravo NonE!

;D

About the laws miraculously appearing?

They have them on the books, ready and waiting for the right event to come along.

Unsurprisingly the imposters out here did not take much time to react. They speed up and push for gun control which comes right out of the UN's policies on arms control.

"Quebec government" hopes to pass new gun-control laws this spring.

www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=6d2f2dae-fb4e-4a69-a1af-ef7fc8c6552d&k=84204

Still, the people remain blind, deaf and dumb.

---Patriotism is the worst feature of barbarism.[/b]

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The one-world government (Global Governance) being set up by the UN will regulate ALL aspects of human behavior. Anyone not in compliance will be forced to conform through a world police system that will make Hitler's Brown Shirts seem like Sunday-school children, and a justice system that does not permit trial by a jury of one's peers. Those who resist "reeducation" will be incarcerated or "otherwise prohibited" from creating disharmony within this coming Utopia. Time is very, very short.

Supporters of the UN, are sadly victim of the propaganda which somehow gravely damage the moral and rational area of their brain.

[Darren Dirt]

Folks, forget about "gun control laws" that are possibly gonna come outta this incident.

I was watching a Canadian "news" program yesterday, whoever was being interviewed essentially said "I guess we've gone too far in the extreme of individual rights over society's impact, it's time to move back the other way to strike a balance" or something like that.

But, um, wait, isn't society made up of individuals? And didn't this whole massacre happen because individuals were not "allowed" to exercise their individual self-defense rights? So now you want to move more towards "collective rights" being exercised in place of those of individuals? HUH?

[freeborn]

But as 'state' factually what is a society and where, when, who, how, why, those people if any had contracted together on a voluntary basis? Nothing is written and signed to describe their association based on official contract they only contract with ignorance and blindly by fraudulent tacit contract by the mere action of the people. Everything is about fiction and all enforced with lethal force. These barbarian schizophrenic madmen don't need our consent we all know that, don't we? It is clear that their plan is not about individual freedom but the opposite otherwise they would have asked since long our permission to control our life. The major problem is ----the mass servitude----i.e., we have accepted a master to control our life by putting away our responsibility as human being. I read somewhere that they are so enslaved that they will likely accept everything that the global master will impose on them and so without even know what is going on, as we know since the master act on words like freedom, they accept it as true.

[Darren Dirt]

yet again, it's not just "you" that's not safe in the hands of the career sociopaths, it's your privacy too...


Govt Public Database Exposed SS Numbers of 63,000 People

An Illinois farmer discovered, by accident, that her name along with her Social Security number was displayed in plain view on a U.S. government website, FedSpending.org. She was only one of the about 63,000 people whose personal information was publicly displayed in connection with financial assistance from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The 63,000 people were awarded funds through the Farm Service Agency (FSA) or USDA Rural Development (RD).

The data was apparently pulled from the U.S. Census Bureau and the personal information breach was apparently going on for more than a decade. The site itself was created by OMB Watch to allow monitoring of federal spending. The 9-digit Social Security numbers were displayed as they were part of a special 15-digit federal contract identifier number.

"We take full responsibility for this and offer no excuses for it," said Terri Teuber, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Agriculture. "We absolutely do not think it was appropriate."

The NYT reminds that last year, hackers illegally accessed an Agriculture Department database containing the names, Social Security numbers and photos of current and former agency employees. Also, the Department of Energy, the Navy, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service suffered various forms of data breaches last year in which personal information was lost or stolen.