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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 12, 2007 12:13:21 GMT -5
I just sent this in an email to my 11 year old son who is being brainwashed by world-government-promoting fearmongering. subj: Global Warming -- is it true?Hey buddy, just thought I would pass this along as it explains very well what I stumbled in trying to explain to you last week. - - - Journalists have warned of climate change for 100 years, but can’t decide weather we face an ice age or warming It was five years before the turn of the century and major media were warning of disastrous climate change. Page six of The New York Times was headlined with the serious concerns of “geologists.” Only the president at the time wasn’t Bill Clinton; it was Grover Cleveland. And the Times wasn’t warning about global warming – it was telling readers the looming dangers of a new ice age. The year was 1895, and it was just one of four different time periods in the last 100 years when major print media predicted an impending climate crisis. Each prediction carried its own elements of doom, saying Canada could be “wiped out” or lower crop yields would mean “billions will die.” Just as the weather has changed over time, so has the reporting – blowing hot or cold with short-term changes in temperature. - - - The rest of the article is here: www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice.aspIN OTHER WORDS, relax, don't have any "The Day After Tomorrow" nightmares unless and until the actual *facts* justify it. ^_^
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Post by eye2i2hear on Mar 12, 2007 13:19:05 GMT -5
...it was just one of four different time periods in the last 100 years when major print media predicted an impending climate crisis. Rings of that oft quoted ditty about "not knowing history" and "doomed"... Seems knowing media history needs inclusion? 'preciate the diligence with your "generation" (your son) & the source link here as well~ Seems it links too with our other fear factors thread romp list (noting what works "meanwhile" in between the climate scares): * terrorism * child abduction * guns * bird flu * killer bees * mad cow disease * lack of legislation/laws/enforcement * pollution * global warming = human doing* weapons of mass destruction * bioterrorism/anthrax * bombs (car/suitcase/public/suicide) * hole in the ozone * illegal drugs * heterosexual AIDS epidemic/HIV epidemic * sars * political parties in control (fear republicans, no, fear democrats, no, fear independents) * killer eggs (cholesterol) * Y2K * silicon breast implants * asteroid collision with earth* energy shortage/crisis * unsafe food/water (contamination like salmonella/e-coli) * economic collapse/calamity = world crisis (Japan/Soviet Union) * std's * acid rain * moral deline * ice age* no more petroleum * nuclear holocaust/fallout (under the school desk drills) * communist invasion/attack now about that "killer asteroid" news... geesh, has it been 25 years already?!? (" four different time periods in a hundred years")
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 12, 2007 14:21:45 GMT -5
LOL now THAT is ironic, my son not only watched (and was obviously strongly affected by) "The Day After Tomorrow" (not my idea, btw -- I found out later) but we were at the video store the other day, and his dystopian outlook (which I share, at times ) desperately wanted to be sated by watching this obviously-crummy-since-it-was-direct-to-DVD and-even-*I*-have-never-heard-of-it moviefilm: Post ImpactWhen a comet unexpectedly alters course and strikes Earth, the Northern Hemisphere is struck by a new Ice Age. Meteor Bay-Leder 7 struck earth on October 18th, 2012. Causing earthquakes, tidal waves, and a dust cloud that soon covered most of the Northern hemisphere, it changed the face of our planet forever. Leaving Russia destroyed, and turning Europe into a snow- covered »death zone«, Bay-Leder 7 was the end of civilization as we know it. - - - Who knows, maybe it's campy fun in a so-bad-it's-good kinda way. :-\ After all, the origin of the meteor's name is cheesily obvious ;D
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Post by eye2i2hear on Mar 12, 2007 16:02:15 GMT -5
my son ... we were at the video store the other day, and his dystopian outlook... desperately wanted to be sated by watching ... the meteor's name is cheesily obvious ;D Just hold on to that, dad, as won't be but a blink of the eye and with that trip to the store he'll have a whole 'nother look on his face... reflecting a "Deep Impact" of his own as to the likes of watching Liv Tyler in Armeggedon! ;D (where that dystopian turns to a utopian puppy love look!) [as to the name, after all, doesn't "rapture" precede "Armeggedon"?! Liv is heavenly, no doubt! talk about sated...]
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 12, 2007 16:50:39 GMT -5
Leave it to has-3-children-as-well Thorin to again refuse to jump onto the "ignore/mock Darren's nonconformist political beliefs" bandwagon.
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 12, 2007 17:33:14 GMT -5
You don't hear much about the ozone hole any more. Has it gone away? Nope. NOAA and NASA say in 2006 it was bigger and deeper than ever. But wait, you say, we implemented the Montreal Protocols in 1989, eliminating ozone depleting CFCs. Kofi Annan called the Protocol, "Perhaps the most successful international agreement to date." CFC concentrations have been falling since 1995. How can the ozone hole be worse?It's not worse, says NOAA, it's better. It's just that you can't see how great the Protocol is working because colder than average temperatures in the Antarctic mask the benefit. Cold weather "result in larger and deeper ozone holes, while warmer weather leads to smaller ones."
Colder in Antarctica? Al Gore told me it was melting! Al Gore told me there was consensus. Consensus!
;D
- "NOAA and NASA Want Antarctica To Melt" (06Feb2007 blog)
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Post by creolefood on Mar 12, 2007 19:36:40 GMT -5
Yes, back in the '70's, the scare mongers warned us that man's burning of fossil fuels and other industrial activities resulted in particulates in the atmosphere that would block the sun's radiation and lead to....global cooling. That didn't scare people enough so about 20-25 years later, they said that man's burning of fossil fuels and other industrial activities would result in particulates in the atmosphere that would "trap" heat and lead to global warming.
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 16, 2007 11:48:14 GMT -5
documentary: the global warming swindlesee it while you can. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pUfrom www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.htmlChannel 4, Thursday 8 March, 9pm Are you green? How many flights have you taken in the last year? Feeling guilty about all those unnecessary car journeys? Well, maybe there's no need to feel bad. According to a group of scientists brought together by documentary-maker Martin Durkin, if the planet is heating up, it isn't your fault and there's nothing you can do about it. We've almost begun to take it for granted that climate change is a man-made phenomenon. But just as the environmental lobby think they've got our attention, a group of naysayers have emerged to slay the whole premise of global warming. ^ auto-migration provided by Darren Dirt Library Services Uninc.
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Post by eye2i2hear on Mar 16, 2007 12:35:16 GMT -5
Speaking of, anyone heard alternative theories regarding petroleum origin? I believe it's Jim McCanney ( homepage) that holds that petroleum came from space (don't quote me, but I think it was his theory that it was something like a major comet passing event?). I also heard a theory several years back about petroleum being a microbial (bacterial?) by-product, and as such is replenishing (recall the "exhausted reserves"/gas shortages scares of the past with how many trillions of barrels since). [of course these NonAl's (non-CONsensus) scientists don't get msm exposure] anyone else heard alternatives (or these even) regarding "fossil" fuels?
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 16, 2007 13:07:13 GMT -5
Some others have said * they had evidence and reason to believe ( ) that it was not a "non-renewable" result of crushed plant/animal life + millions of years, but instead a result of a relatively quick and plentiful [bio?]chemical reaction that is effectively un-limited... a compact store of energy, that replenishes itself. Nice! - - - * argh! Can't remember the name of the theory or the "entity" so I apologize for my vagueness...
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Post by creolefood on Mar 16, 2007 18:23:13 GMT -5
Actually, the "conventional" theory of petroleum generation is that it was produced by the slow degradation (i.e., "slow" as in tens or hundreds of millions of years) of microscopic organisms that had been buried under layers of sediments. This is the "biogenic" theory. According to this theory, the earth's supply of petroleum is finite and in the '80's everyone was saying that there would be no more petroleum in about 20 years.
The radical theory is the "abiogenic" theory; it's discussed in an a book entitled "The Deep Hot Biosphere," by Thomas Gold, which I'm in the middle of. This theory holds that petroleum is produced by the upwelling of hydrocarbons from miles and miles deep in the earth. If this theory holds true, then there is no need to worry about petroleum "running out." In fact, several oil fields around the globe have been exhausted (or so was thought) and then re-charged a short time later. The abiogenic explanation for this was that the upwelling process from underneath re-charged these fields.
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Post by sagas4 on Mar 16, 2007 19:26:39 GMT -5
Hmmm Some electrical transformers are cooled by oil . . . interesting, oil cools them. If all the oil is pumped out of the ground perhaps that is causing global warming since there is no cooling fluid left in the earth . . . oops I shouldn't have said anything, cause now that is going to be the next scare. First it was global cooling because of CO2, then global warming because of CO2 when that one wears off it'll be what I just said. P.S. Did y'all hear . . . it was on the news a couple of days ago. Some environmentalists were on a trek to the north pole to capture pictures and evidence of global warming. . . . they had to turn back because one of the expeditioners got a really bad case of frost bite. I guess it's still really cold and they won't be opening a disco there any time soon.
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Post by eye2i2hear on Mar 16, 2007 21:16:51 GMT -5
Actually, [National Security advance warning color code RED here!] the next "oil" related scare will be a fresh water shortage-- you see, because we've pumped all the liquid oil out, that's left all these trillions of "barrels" (caverns in the ground) empty and so the earth's fresh water is draining in to fill those up, yada, yada. "Miraculously" solves the "no cooling" problem but gives us one requiring Government regulation & taxing! ["ditto" sagas' " oops I shouldn't have said anything"...] But where in "reality", the melting ice of the poles would have those caverns to run into and not "flood" continents/devastate shorelines/etc? Ok, on a more realistic note, does anyone know the elemental end result of petroleum (regardless of origins)? What I'm after is, what genuine science's take is regarding liquid oil turned into gas burned as fuel and exhausted? (perhaps relative to water's "life cycles" ie liquid/gas = rain/evaporation?) creolefood, keep up posted on the book report! Along the abiogenic theory, I often thought of the equestrian and bovine digestive systems after hearing of that; where you observe a muscular animal eating nothing but grass and deduce that a human could also live on grass. Where in fact its a unique digestive system "trick" going on, where the bovine animal's gut has a "village" of microbes that actually live off of the grass and its the animal digesting the microbes for its protein needs. So maybe the earth has its equivalent "gut" for microbes/fermentation called its "deep hot biosphere"... with petroleum as a result? If nothing else, the animal science allows for considering the "unseen".
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Post by Darren Dirt on Mar 17, 2007 9:52:48 GMT -5
In fact, several oil fields around the globe have been exhausted (or so was thought) and then re-charged a short time later. The abiogenic explanation for this was that the upwelling process from underneath re-charged these fields. Woot! There it is! The "recharging" of oil fields rings a bell, I think we're talking about the same theory/proponent thereof. To quote a very annoying character from "Seinfeld"... That's Gold, Jerry! GOLD! ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold#Origins_of_petroleum"Hydrocarbons are not biology reworked by geology (as the traditional view would hold) but rather geology reworked by biology..." ...recent discoveries have shown that bacteria live at depths far greater than previously believed. Whilst this does not prove Gold's theory, it may lend support to its arguments... see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
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Post by eye2i2hear on Mar 17, 2007 10:56:34 GMT -5
Various abiogenic hypotheses were first proposed in the nineteenth century, most notably by the Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev and the French chemist Marcellin Berthelot. Since that time, these hypotheses have lost ground to the modern scientific consensus that petroleum is a fossil fuel. There's your AlGore (sounds like "Igor" but looks like the all-seeing "EyeGore") " C" word again: CONsensus!! Although the abiogenic theory, according to Gold, is widely accepted in Russia, where it was intensively developed in the 1950s and 1960s, the vast majority of Western petroleum geologists consider the biogenic theory of petroleum formation scientifically proven. Although evidence exists for abiogenic creation of methane and hydrocarbon gases within the Earth...
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