The No State Project

[Neo]

I wouldn't have callers on at all. I'd save callers for caller-only shows, to ask you questions. Gives more time to guests to share their stuff. Also keeps them away from dumb callers. Would only have callers call if a guest says, before the show, they want this. But I wouldn't ask. Would just say "I'll be you and me." Let them ASK for callers, so if callers waste show time, it's the guests fault for asking for callers.

[NonEntity]

Well Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/Etc Neo,

As my dad told me when I was wee, "There are no stupid questions." You and I know that that is an absurd statement, but still, the stupid questions probably represent the minds of MANY MANY listeners, and so answering them is probably more productive than "preaching to the choir," even if more frustrating. (I NEVER thought I'd ever be in a choir, but life is uncertain, that's why it makes so much sense to eat desert first.)

But with the limited time alloted your post probably makes more sense than mine.

I know that some radio call in hosts have the ability to shut down a guest rather quickly and at the same time not be insulting. Perhaps that is a skill Marc will need to acquire. The venue is most certainly going to attract the Paytriot minded folks and there is no point in beating the same horse time and time again.

- NonE

[lazerwood]

I'm with Neo. I've listened to countless interviews and many times the callers waste too much time, ask pointless questions, and the interview really gets bogged down with little information shared.

Marc will have to have the "knack" of asking the questions that the listeners would want to ask. Usually that means reading some of the guests written "works" ahead of time, and knowing what "specialty" the guests knowledge consists of.

[chillbill]

Hope you make a podcast of it I'd love to hear it anytime but Saturday!

[Darren Dirt]

chillbill said:

Hope you make a podcast of it I'd love to hear it anytime but Saturday!

As a reminder, mp3.rbnlive.com/Marc05.html is the link in which you can find previous shows.

If you want RSS feed, there is a link on the main page of RBN ( www.rbnlive.com ) to the "Show Archives", which gets you to this page and you can just search for "Marc" on there.

Marc, I recall a few interviews you did on other radio shows, and some of those callers definitely killed the momentum and wasted some of the time... So if you had a certain topic and maybe restricted calls to that subject, you'd have a built-in excuse to cut them short if they stray ;D

[denizen]

On Marc'cs last Saturday night radio show, in the call-in question part, the first caller - from Missouri (I think) mentioned something about the code definition for 'motor vehicle' had as a necessary aspect a 'paying for hauling' part - that is, whether a 'passenger' or a product, the 'motor vehicle' was used to transport someone or something for PAYMENT. And, of course, most of us use our car to transport ourselves, our belongings and/or our friends and no payment is involved. Therefore, no vehicle registration would also be involved since the vehicle is NOT a 'motor vehicle' as defined by them. I do not think either Marc or Butler Shaffer addressed that issue, but the next caller, a gentleman from Arkansas did attempt to offer some help - in two ways: 1. The 13th Amendment - the abolition of slavery or involuntary servitude. And, 2. The 4th section of the 14th Amendment - which precluded questioning the public debt. The "involuntary servitude" subject matter was instructive and could be most useful - if we could figure out how NOT to 'volunteer'. (I mean here that if one does NOT register one's car, then one will be endlessly stopped by cop after cop with the resultant delay, harassment, maybe jail time, maybe handcuffed, man-handled or even shot! - and so one 'volunteers' to register one's car since avoiding all those costly delays is important and necessary for a 'normal' life.) What to do? How does one not volunteer and still avoid the confrontations? I know we are not supposed to make statements - but to just ask questions, but maybe some statement on the registration form can be made to nullify our 'voluntary' payment and signature. Any suggestions?

And on the 14th Amendment, the Arkansas gentleman was suggesting (as I understood it) that it was a 'citizen' who could not question the debt (meaning: not help to pay it) - and, since 'citizen' - the word - was not mentioned in that section, somehow the Arkansas gentleman concluded that being a 'citizen' was, therefore, not either mandatory or to be assumed. I would appreciate some clarification on this aspect of the 14th Amendment from that gentleman should he so desire to do so. He said he was a "Lysander Spooner Anarchist". That is one impressive label/identification and I think I will adopt and use it from time to time.

Just Voluntary (Denizen II)

[NonEntity]

J.V., Welcome!

...if we could figure out how NOT to 'volunteer'

I think Gandhi figured that out. And Rosa Parks. Most of us are simply unwilling to stand quite that tall, I think. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or not. I don't think that being a martyr is neccessarily the best use of my life force. At least not for me. Probably it is for humanity in general, but even THAT I'm unsure of.

- NonE

And let me add this: I think that your entire question rests on a faulty presumption, that there is respect. I don't think there is respect. I think it is all deceipt and manipulation with a veneer of respect (that's why they call it a "con" game, afterall!) and as long as you think that they have ANY sense of you aside from contempt, you will (we will, I will) continue to fail to get respect. Mao said it, "Power comes from the barrel of a gun." (or something close to that) Trying to treat someone who is holding a gun to your face with respect is a failed methodology. Sad as it is, that is how I see it.

They need to be starved of their power. STOP PAYING TAXES! (he screams as he goes flailing off the board into the deep end...)

[sagas4]

neo said:

I wouldn't have callers on at all. I'd save callers for caller-only shows, to ask you questions. Gives more time to guests to share their stuff. Also keeps them away from dumb callers. Would only have callers call if a guest says, before the show, they want this. But I wouldn't ask. Would just say "I'll be you and me." Let them ASK for callers, so if callers waste show time, it's the guests fault for asking for callers.

Second the motion.

nonentity said:

. . . (I NEVER thought I'd ever be in a choir, but life is uncertain, that's why it makes so much sense to eat desert first.) . . .

That's why I have a piece of Pie and Ice Cream for breakfast every morning I am given . . . .

nonentity said:

J.V., Welcome!

...if we could figure out how NOT to 'volunteer'

I think Gandhi figured that out. And Rosa Parks. Most of us are simply unwilling to stand quite that tall, I think. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or not. I don't think that being a martyr is necessarily the best use of my life force. At least not for me. Probably it is for humanity in general, but even THAT I'm unsure of.

- NonE

And let me add this: I think that your entire question rests on a faulty presumption, that there is respect. I don't think there is respect. I think it is all deceit and manipulation with a veneer of respect (that's why they call it a "con" game, after all!) and as long as you think that they have ANY sense of you aside from contempt, you will (we will, I will) continue to fail to get respect. Mao said it, "Power comes from the barrel of a gun." (or something close to that) Trying to treat someone who is holding a gun to your face with respect is a failed methodology. Sad as it is, that is how I see it.

They need to be starved of their power. STOP PAYING TAXES! (he screams as he goes flailing off the board into the deep end...)

Yep, Yep, Yep, and that is one way so please enlighten us as to how to go about that last statement without being killed in the process before you take that long walk off a short dock.

[Darren Dirt]

sagas4 said:

Yep, Yep, Yep, and that is one way so please enlighten us as to how to go about that last statement without being killed in the process before you take that long walk off a short dock.

Here's a thought:

GiveMeLiberty.org: The Liberty Hour, Video #1 -- "Content: Bob Schulz and WTP activist Charlie Beall boldly articulate the irrefutable moral and legal basis for the People to stop paying, withholding and filing. These 90 minutes may change your life and your understanding of what steps the People must take to reclaim our Republic and our Freedom. The little known "Right to Petition for Redress" is the ultimate, non-violent means toward that end. No Answers, NO TAXES!"

The above is very lengthy, and often tedious (mostly Bob talking, sometimes passionately, sometimes not so much) BUT the one thing that he said that stuck in my mind, and which is applicable to your question, is that some of the correspondence around the time of the "bill of rights" being discussed and written said that the first right, including the right to "petition the gubmint for redress" etc. comes BEFORE not AFTER paying the beast... i.e. can you imagine someone being told, "yes you are certainly a slave, but until your slavemaster responds to your claims, you need to keep slaving away... And here's a hefty fine for taking a break from your labours!" The quote is explicit, it's basically "they could not have been any clearer" type of wording, since they saw in advance what could happen if the "citizens" were denied their right to "petition" (which is more than just voice their complaints, BTW, it's apparently to receive a "responsive answer", in effect -- sound familiar )

[sagas4]

DD,

Been there before here. On the mailing list. Watched the progress of the court case. Several have done so and now the Gubmint is pursuing them pesky petitioners who simply want responsive answers to a few simple questions. What nerve of those people to harass and terrorize public officials in such a way as to ask for responsive answers to questions.

If I were the man I was in my youth I'd do it just to do it because I could, however I have other responsibilities and am unwilling to put those at risk against their will who depend upon me and our agreement that we would exchange. The potential for lost productive time would place me in a position of not being able to meet the obligations I voluntarily agreed to, and therefore place me in default, so it is easier to feed and pay the vipers to hopefully keep them at bay. I just have to do a little extra to feed the blood sucking leeches.

Although this sounds Jeffersonian, John F. Kennedy said it best, "Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable".

[Darren Dirt]

Just got the email from Marc re. the next show's guest.

In case "The White Rose" is a complete unknown to any of you, check out this earlier thread, probably before Saturday's show (might help you get more familiar) --> thereisnostate.proboards39.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1125679724&page=1

[lazerwood]

"John F. Kennedy said it best, "Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"....

I sure like that quote...that one's a "keeper".

[Freeborn]

hey Marc! I heard the show last night and one word to say: ROCKS!

[Neo]

It's my radio show and I'll run it the way I please. Seriously, this is a great way for Marc to get plenty of unasked for advice, for free, then to listen to all of it, or none of it.

[marc stevens]

I will not be having a guest on this Saturday's show, December 17, 2005.

I want everyone to call in because it's going to be limited to only market solutions to bringing about a voluntary society.

If you can't call in, please email me questions and short comments and I will read them over the air.

Thanks.